Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++

On 6/14/25 9:53 AM, olcott wrote:

On 6/14/2025 6:30 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-13 15:22:04 +0000, olcott said:
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On 6/13/2025 5:20 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-12 15:34:01 +0000, olcott said:
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int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
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It is a verified fact that DD() *is* one of the forms
of the counter-example input as such an input would
be encoded in C. Christopher Strachey wrote his in CPL.
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// rec routine P
//   §L :if T[P] go to L
//     Return §
// https://academic.oup.com/comjnl/article/7/4/313/354243
void Strachey_P()
{
   L: if (HHH(Strachey_P)) goto L;
   return;
}
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https://academic.oup.com/comjnl/article-abstract/7/4/313/354243? redirectedFrom=fulltext
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It *is* a verified fact DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
possibly reach its own "return" statement final halt state
because the input to HHH(DD) specifies recursive simulation.

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False. It is not the reursive simulation that prevents the reaching
the simulation of the "return" statement. Instead, previention is
a consequence of the discontinuation of the simulation that the
input specifies.

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When you try to prove this by providing ALL of the
details you will find that you are incorrect.

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I don't need to prove anything. It is sufficient to point out that
you have not proven anything. For this discussion a sufficient
proof that HHH aborts is simulation is that you have said it does.
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 This code proves everything that I claimed beyond all possible doubt
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c

It proves that everything you say is just a lie.

 Mike verified everything that I claimed from this code except the
very last step of my proof. Mike demonstrated the non-halting behavior
pattern for infinite loops. He might understand the non-halting
behavior patterns for infinite recursion.
 The only thing left is understanding the non-halting behavior
pattern of recursive simulation.
 

But the problem is, the conditional recursive simulation pattern that you create is NOT non-halting, you just need to lie about it by confounding two different programs as being the same.