Re: Nature of undecidable halting --- Connecting truth-bearers to their truthmaker

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Sujet : Re: Nature of undecidable halting --- Connecting truth-bearers to their truthmaker
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 17. May 2024, 04:11:15
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On 5/16/24 11:00 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/16/2024 8:20 AM, joes wrote:
Am Thu, 16 May 2024 13:42:41 +0300 schrieb Mikko:
On 2024-05-15 15:06:26 +0000, olcott said:
I refer to transitioning through a specific state to indicate a
specific halt status value, for Turing Machines.
>
That does not satisfy the usual definition of "halt decider". However,
we could accept that as a solution to the halting problem if one could
prove that there is a Turing machine that can indicate halting or
non-halting that way for all computations.
>
However, it is possible to prove that every Turing machine that
indicates halting that way fails to indicate correctly at least some
computations.
>
Are these all of the liar paradox kind, such that one could easily
exclude them? Or do they form a more interesting class?
>
 Good question!
   "a sentence may fail to make a statement if it is paradoxical or ungrounded."
*Outline of a Theory of Truth --- Saul Kripke*
https://www.impan.pl/~kz/truthseminar/Kripke_Outline.pdf
 How to define a True(L, x) predicate that refutes Tarski Undefinability:
*The grounding of a truth-bearer to its truthmaker*
True(L,x) returns true when x is derived from a set of truth preserving
operations from finite string expressions of language that have been stipulated to have the semantic value of Boolean true. False(L,x) is defined as True(L,~x).  Copyright 2022 PL Olcott
 The above architecture detects and rejects every epistemology
antinomy such as the Liar Paradox. This proves that Gödel is
wrong about this:
 ...14 Every epistemological antinomy can likewise be used for a similar undecidability proof...(Gödel 1931:43-44)
 
A bunch of meaningless words from you again, making claims that you can not back up, and have been disproven.
You are just proving how stupid you are.
Your statements have been proven false.

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14 May 24 * Re: Is Richard a Liar?175Mikko
14 May 24 +* Re: Is Richard a Liar?18olcott
15 May 24 i+- Re: Olcott is a Liar!1Richard Damon
15 May 24 i`* Re: Is Richard a Liar?16Mikko
15 May 24 i `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?15olcott
16 May 24 i  +- Re: Olcott is a Liar!1Richard Damon
16 May 24 i  `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?13Mikko
16 May 24 i   `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?12olcott
17 May 24 i    +- Re: Olcott is a patholgociat liar!1Richard Damon
17 May 24 i    `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?10Mikko
17 May 24 i     `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?9olcott
18 May 24 i      +* Re: Olcott is a Liar!5Richard Damon
18 May 24 i      i`* Re: Olcott is a Liar!4Mikko
18 May 24 i      i +- Re: Olcott is a Liar!1Richard Damon
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14 May 24  iii  `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?125olcott
14 May 24  iii   +* Re: Is Richard a Liar?123Fred. Zwarts
14 May 24  iii   i`* Re: Is Richard a Liar?122olcott
14 May 24  iii   i +* Re: Is Richard a Liar?120Fred. Zwarts
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14 May 24  iii   i i i`* Re: Is Richard a Liar?16olcott
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15 May 24  iii   i i i  `* Re: Is Richard a Liar?13olcott
15 May 24  iii   i i i   +* Re: Is Richard a Liar?3joes
15 May 24  iii   i i i   i`* Re: Is Richard a Liar?2olcott
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16 May 24  iii   i i i   +- Re: Olcott is a Liar!1Richard Damon
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16 May 24  iii   i i i    +- Re: Is Richard a Liar?1Fred. Zwarts
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