Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down

On 5/31/24 6:54 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/31/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/31/2024 4:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/31/24 10:10 AM, olcott wrote:

On 5/31/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/30/24 11:27 PM, olcott wrote:

Try and show how HH using an x86 emulator can correctly emulate
the following x86 machine code such that DD reaches its own
machine address 00001c47.

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Why should I, since that isn't what I was saying.
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*To me that looks like you know that*
*you have been busted in a lie and are backing down*

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no, YOU are LYING RIGHT HERE AND NOW.
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Prove that I said that the simulation by HH made it there, or admit to being a DAMNED LIAR.
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What I have been saying is the the DIRECT EXDCUTION of DD, and the CORRECT (and complete) simulation of the input to HH by an actual UTM will get there.
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That has always been the dishonest dodge strawman deception
CHANGE-THE-SUBJECT fake rebuttal regarding
the behavior of DD correctly simulated by pure function HH.

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But it is your talking about the "correctly simulated by HH" that is the dishonest dodge,

 Try and show how HH using an x86 emulator can correctly emulate
the following x86 machine code such that DD reaches its own
machine address 00001c47.

Never said it could. But haven't looked hard enough to be willing to say it can't, but then, who cares, it doesn't say a thing about the real halting problem, since H's simulation isn't "correct" by a definition that relates simulation to non-halting behavior,
Of course, the issue is you keep on changing your definitions, because you don't quite know what you need. WHen you forget to define HH as a "Pure function" then it is easy with the static memory short-cut.
But when you DO include it, you have the problem that we KNOW that the HH(DD,DD) that DD calls must return the same 0 as the call from main so when we look at the direct execution, or the actual complete and correct simulation of the DD that calls this HH we see that THIS DD actually halts, so HH is NOT a correct halt Decider.

 _DD()
[00001c22] 55         push ebp
[00001c23] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
[00001c25] 51         push ecx
[00001c26] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00001c29] 50         push eax        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00001c2d] 51         push ecx        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2e] e80ff7ffff call 00001342   ; call HH
[00001c33] 83c408     add esp,+08
[00001c36] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00001c39] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[00001c3d] 7402       jz 00001c41
[00001c3f] ebfe       jmp 00001c3f
[00001c41] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00001c44] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00001c46] 5d         pop ebp
[00001c47] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0038) [00001c47]