Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems

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Sujet : Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : sci.logic comp.theory
Date : 09. Jun 2024, 19:29:25
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On 6/9/24 2:13 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/9/2024 1:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/9/24 1:18 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/9/2024 10:36 AM, olcott wrote:
*This has direct application to undecidable decision problems*
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When we ask the question: What is a truthmaker? The generic answer is
whatever makes an expression of language true <is> its truthmaker. This
entails that if there is nothing in the universe that makes expression X
true then X lacks a truthmaker and is untrue.
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X may be untrue because X is false. In that case ~X has a truthmaker.
Now we have the means to unequivocally define truth-bearer. X is a
truth-bearer iff (if and only if) X or ~X has a truthmaker.
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I have been working in this same area as a non-academician for a few
years. I have only focused on expressions of language that are {true on
the basis of their meaning}.
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Now that truthmaker and truthbearer are fully anchored it is easy to see
that self-contradictory expressions are simply not truthbearers.
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“This sentence is not true” can't be true because that would make it
untrue and it can't be false because that would make it true.
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Within the the definition of truthmaker specified above: “this sentence
has no truthmaker” is simply not a truthbearer. It can't be true within
the above specified definition of truthmaker because this would make it
false. It can't be false because that makes
it true.
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Unless the system is inconsistent, in which case they can be.
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Note,
 When I specify the ultimate foundation of all truth then this
does apply to truth in logic, truth in math and truth in science.
Nope. Not for Formal system, which have a specific definition of its truth-makers, unless you let your definition become trivial for Formal logic where a "truth-makers" is what has been defined to be the "truth-makers" for the system.

 *Three laws of logic apply to all propositions*
¬(p ∧ ¬p) Law of non-contradiction
  (p ∨ ¬p) Law of excluded middle
   p = p   Law of identity
Nope, only for systems that accept those requirements.
There are (typically non-binary) systems that do not include one or both of the first two "laws".
I am not sure about the third, while I can't think of a system that doesn't have the law of identity, I am not sure it is absoultely required.
(after a bit of research)
In Schrödinger logic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger_logic
the law of identity is greatly restricted, because the statement x = y is not a well-formed formula in many cases, so it might not be true that x = x
 Inconsistent systems cannot be truthmakers
in those cases where they derive inconsistency.
 
Illogical.
"inconsistent SYSTEMS" are not the same sort of thing as a "truth-maker" as the first is a system of logic, and the second is a statement expressed in such a system.

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9 Jun 24 * Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems80olcott
9 Jun 24 +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems72olcott
9 Jun 24 i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems71Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems70olcott
9 Jun 24 i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems69Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems68olcott
9 Jun 24 i    +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems42Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i    i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems41olcott
9 Jun 24 i    i +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems39Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    i i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems38olcott
10 Jun 24 i    i i +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems34Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    i i i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems33olcott
10 Jun 24 i    i i i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems32Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    i i i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems31olcott
11 Jun 24 i    i i i   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems30Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i    i i i    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems29olcott
12 Jun 24 i    i i i     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems28Richard Damon
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12 Jun 24 i    i i i       `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems26Richard Damon
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12 Jun 24 i    i i i         `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems24Richard Damon
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12 Jun 24 i    i i i           `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems22Richard Damon
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13 Jun 24 i    i i i             `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems20Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i              `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems19olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i               `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems18Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems17olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                 `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems16Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems15olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems14Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems13olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems12Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                      `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems11olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                       `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems10Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                        `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems9olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                         `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems8Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                          `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems7olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                           `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems6Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                            `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems5olcott
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                             `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems4Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                              `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems3olcott
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                               `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems2Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                                `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1olcott
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