Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?

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Sujet : Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 02. Jul 2024, 10:22:42
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Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
typedef void (*ptr)();
int HHH(ptr P);
 void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}
 void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
}
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}
 int main()
{
   HHH(Infinite_Loop);
   HHH(Infinite_Recursion);
   HHH(DDD);
}
 Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows
that when HHH emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop,
Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must abort these emulations
so that itself can terminate normally.
Whether or not it *must* abort is not very relevant. It is relevant that it *does* abort. That is relevant when determining whether it is correct.

 When this is construed as non-halting criteria then simulating
termination analyzer HHH is correct to reject these inputs as
non-halting by returning 0 to its caller.
Therefore, whether or not it must abort, is incorrect criteria. The fact that it *does* abort (and aborts too early to see correctly the behaviour) shows that the simulation is incorrect.

 Simulating termination analyzers must report on the behavior
that their finite string input specifies thus HHH must report
that DDD correctly emulated by HHH remains stuck in recursive
simulation.
It is not stuck in recursive simulation. We are speaking about an HHH that *does* abort after two cycles. So, not stuck, the simulation is only aborted too soon.
Dreaming of another HHH that got stuck because it does not abort is irrelevant, because this HHH *does* abort.

 Everyone else seems to be flat out dishonest or totally ignorant.
At least one of my reviewers does not seem to understand that
infinite recursion does not halt.
 
It is dishonest to claim that two equals infinite.
Two cycles of recursive simulation is not equal to an infinite recursion.
You don't seem to understand such simple facts.

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2 Jul 24 * Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?162olcott
2 Jul 24 +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?9Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?8olcott
2 Jul 24 i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?7Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?6olcott
2 Jul 24 i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?5Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?4olcott
2 Jul 24 i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?3Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?2olcott
3 Jul 24 i       `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?5Mikko
2 Jul 24 i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?4olcott
3 Jul 24 i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?3Mikko
3 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?2olcott
4 Jul 24 i   `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Mikko
2 Jul 24 +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?143Fred. Zwarts
2 Jul 24 i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?142olcott
2 Jul 24 i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?141Fred. Zwarts
2 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?140olcott
2 Jul 24 i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?139Fred. Zwarts
2 Jul 24 i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?138olcott
3 Jul 24 i     +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?71Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?70olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?69Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?68olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?59Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?58olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?57Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant56olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant47Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant46olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant34Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant33olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant32Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant31olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant23joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i`* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant22olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant20Fred. Zwarts
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3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?7Fred. Zwarts
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3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i i `* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?5Fred. Zwarts
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4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i `* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant5joes
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i  +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant3olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i  i+- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1joes
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i  i`- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i  `- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Mikko
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i `- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant6Mikko
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant5olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i     +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant3Mikko
5 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant2Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i       `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Mikko
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i +- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant10Fred. Zwarts
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3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant7Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant6olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant5Fred. Zwarts
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3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i  i`- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant1Fred. Zwarts
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3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i   `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant1Fred. Zwarts
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   `* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant8joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i    `* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant7olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     +* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant5Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     i`* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant4olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     i +* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant2joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     i i`- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i     i `- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     `- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?8Mikko
3 Jul 24 i     i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?7olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?6Mikko
4 Jul 24 i     i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?5olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i       +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i     i       `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?3Mikko
5 Jul 24 i     i        `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?2olcott
5 Jul 24 i     i         `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?66joes
3 Jul 24 i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?65olcott
3 Jul 24 i       +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?40Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i       i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?39olcott
3 Jul 24 i       i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?38Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i       i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?37olcott
3 Jul 24 i       i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?25Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i       i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?24olcott
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