Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.

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Sujet : Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 11. Jul 2024, 08:43:48
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Op 10.jul.2024 om 20:54 schreef olcott:
On 7/10/2024 1:12 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
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In comp.theory Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote:
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Proving that the simulation is incorrect. Because a correct simulation
would not abort a halting program halfway its simulation.
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Just for clarity, a correct simulation wouldn't abort a non-halting
program either, would it?  Or have I misunderstood this correctness?
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[ .... ]
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 Welcome back.
I stipulate that I am referring to 1 to ∞ steps of correct
emulation according to the semantics of the x86 language.
 This means that when HHH does correctly emulate 1 step
that *it is a correct emulation* of this 1 step,
But not a correct simulation of a program. The x86 language specifies that it is insufficient to interpret only one instruction of a program. For a correct simulation of a halting program, all instructions must be simulated.
Maybe you don't know the x86 language well enough to understand that the behaviour of a program is not defined by the first few instructions.

thus
making everyone that disagrees disagree with a tautology
making them look foolish.

 We stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation
is the semantics of the x86 programming language. By this
measure when 1 to ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated
by each pure function x86 emulator HHH (of the infinite
set of every HHH that can possibly exist) then DDD cannot
possibly reach past its own machine address of 0000216b
and halt.
Which proves that the simulation is incomplete and, therefore, incorrect.
You proved again that HHH cannot possibly simulate itself correctly.
Even when you wish it very very much that it is correct and even if you repeat it a thousand times more, that will not make it correct.
A correct simulation by another simulator shows that the correct simulation is possible, but not by HHH itself.

 _DDD()
[00002163] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002164] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD
[0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD)
[00002170] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002173] 5d         pop ebp
[00002174] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174]
 

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10 Jul 24 * DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.119olcott
10 Jul 24 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1olcott
10 Jul 24 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.93Fred. Zwarts
10 Jul 24 i+* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.37olcott
10 Jul 24 ii+- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Fred. Zwarts
11 Jul 24 ii+- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 ii`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.34Mikko
11 Jul 24 ii `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.33olcott
11 Jul 24 ii  +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.10joes
11 Jul 24 ii  i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.9olcott
11 Jul 24 ii  i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.7joes
11 Jul 24 ii  i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.6olcott
12 Jul 24 ii  i i +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24 ii  i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.4joes
12 Jul 24 ii  i i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.3olcott
12 Jul 24 ii  i i   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.2joes
12 Jul 24 ii  i i    `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1olcott
12 Jul 24 ii  i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24 ii  +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24 ii  +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.20Mikko
12 Jul 24 ii  i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.19olcott
12 Jul 24 ii  i +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Fred. Zwarts
13 Jul 24 ii  i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.14Mikko
13 Jul 24 ii  i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.13olcott
13 Jul 24 ii  i i +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Fred. Zwarts
13 Jul 24 ii  i i +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is INcorrectly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
14 Jul 24 ii  i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.10Mikko
14 Jul 24 ii  i i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.9olcott
14 Jul 24 ii  i i   +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is INcorrectly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
15 Jul 24 ii  i i   +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1joes
15 Jul 24 ii  i i   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.6Mikko
15 Jul 24 ii  i i    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.5olcott
16 Jul 24 ii  i i     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.4Mikko
16 Jul 24 ii  i i      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.3olcott
17 Jul 24 ii  i i       +- Re: DDD incorrectly emulated by HHH is INcorrectly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
17 Jul 24 ii  i i       `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Mikko
14 Jul 24 ii  i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.3joes
14 Jul 24 ii  i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.2olcott
14 Jul 24 ii  i   `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24 ii  `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Mikko
10 Jul 24 i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.55Alan Mackenzie
10 Jul 24 i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.50Fred. Zwarts
10 Jul 24 i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.49Alan Mackenzie
10 Jul 24 i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.44olcott
11 Jul 24 i i i+* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.40Mikko
11 Jul 24 i i ii`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.39olcott
12 Jul 24 i i ii +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24 i i ii `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.37Mikko
12 Jul 24 i i ii  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.36olcott
12 Jul 24 i i ii   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.35Fred. Zwarts
13 Jul 24 i i ii    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.34Mikko
13 Jul 24 i i ii     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.33olcott
13 Jul 24 i i ii      +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Fred. Zwarts
13 Jul 24 i i ii      +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is INcorrectly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
14 Jul 24 i i ii      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.30Mikko
14 Jul 24 i i ii       `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.29olcott
14 Jul 24 i i ii        +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is INcorrectly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
15 Jul 24 i i ii        `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.27Mikko
15 Jul 24 i i ii         `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention26olcott
16 Jul 24 i i ii          +- Re: DDD incorrectly emulated by HHH is incorrectly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention1Richard Damon
16 Jul 24 i i ii          `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention24Mikko
16 Jul 24 i i ii           `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention23olcott
17 Jul 24 i i ii            +- Re: DDD INcorrectly emulated by HHH is INcorrectly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention1Richard Damon
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17 Jul 24 i i ii             `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention20olcott
17 Jul 24 i i ii              +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH is incorrectly rejected as non-halting.1joes
18 Jul 24 i i ii              `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention18Mikko
18 Jul 24 i i ii               `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention17olcott
19 Jul 24 i i ii                `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention16Mikko
19 Jul 24 i i ii                 `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention15olcott
19 Jul 24 i i ii                  +- Re: DDD incorrectly emulated by HHH is incorrectly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention1Richard Damon
20 Jul 24 i i ii                  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention13Mikko
20 Jul 24 i i ii                   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention12olcott
21 Jul 24 i i ii                    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention11Mikko
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11 Jul 24 i i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting --- incorrect either way2olcott
12 Jul 24 i i i  `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting --- incorrect either way1Richard Damon
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11 Jul 24 i i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.3Fred. Zwarts
11 Jul 24 i i   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.2olcott
12 Jul 24 i i    `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24 i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.2olcott
11 Jul 24 i i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Fred. Zwarts
10 Jul 24 i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.2olcott
11 Jul 24 i  `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Fred. Zwarts
11 Jul 24 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.23Mikko
11 Jul 24  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.22olcott
12 Jul 24   +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.20Mikko
12 Jul 24    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting.19olcott

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