Re: ? ? ?

W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:

The Starmaker wrote:

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Thomas Heger wrote:

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Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:

W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

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W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

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W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:

Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:

W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
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I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
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'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
have to
fullfil.

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Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
'axis of
time')

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So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
How does it use it?
And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
time - times, or are they something else?
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I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
(of/in
spacetime).
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Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
atoms.
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A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
alllow a

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Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
Who or what is using "time" concept  here?

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Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.

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So, who, or what, can use time to model?
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So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
are they something else?

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Time zones are something else.

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Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
Are they times or are they something else?

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Time zones are just...shadows.

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Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
times?
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The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
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Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
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The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
shadows!"
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The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
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The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"

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The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.

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The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
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Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
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If you put a sundial in one time zone...
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it's shadows all the way down.

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And - are zone times times or are they
something else?
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All time measures are intervals.
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You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
that event and some other event.
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This measure is often called 'time'.
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Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
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To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
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But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
born 24 times on a single day.
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TH

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No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
measure the movement of the shadow.
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This measure you often called 'time'.
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But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
shadow or no shadow.
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The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
doing, it's just a shadow?!"
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"Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
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  In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
shadow.

And?
Are zone times times or are they
something else?