Re: Muon paradox

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Sujet : Re: Muon paradox
De : AetherRegaind (at) *nospam* somewhere.in.the.aether (Aether Regained)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 02. Apr 2025, 20:32:00
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Paul.B.Andersen:
Den 01.04.2025 21:06, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen:
It's easy to understand that the lifetime of the muons is longer and
that time dilation is an illogical fiction divorced from physics.
 
The measured mean lifetime of a stationary muon is 2.2 μs
The measured mean lifetime of a muon moving at 0.999668⋅c is 85.36 μs.
 
These are measured facts!
 
You claim this is easy to understand without using SR,
so please explain why muons live longer when they are moving.
 

SR is obfuscation piled upon obfuscation. It doesn't help in
understanding anything.

Instead, I'll offer an analogy that illustrates what a real explanation
would be like.

Consider a heat shield that any spacecraft that has to renter the
atmosphere needs. If such a heat shield, while testing in a lab, is
heated to the operational temperature, say 1000 degC, and the time taken
to return to room temperature is measured as t_cooldown_lab. Now the
same heat shield when in operation, that is during reentry, as it is
hurtling through the atmosphere, takes far longer to cool down. Of
course, this is because its high speed travel through the atmosphere
heats it up.

Now, let us use Feynman's hunch that a muon is simply an excited
electron, an electron vibrating like a bell if you will, or simply a
"hot" electron. A muon/hot-electron at rest will cool down fast, but the
same hot-electron when hurtling through the aether will remain in its
excited state for longer. In light of the analogy to the heat shield,
there is nothing surprising about this. Just as it is absurd to say that
time dilates when the heat shield is in motion, causing it to stay
heated for longer, it is similarly absurd to say that time dilates when
a hot-electron is in motion!

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31 Mar 25 * Muon paradox130LaurenceClarkCrossen
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31 Mar 25 +* Re: Muon paradox21LaurenceClarkCrossen
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1 Apr 25 i `* Re: Muon paradox19Richard Hachel
1 Apr 25 i  +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i  +* Re: Muon paradox3LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i  i`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i  i `- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
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1 Apr 25 i   +* Re: Muon paradox2Richard Hachel
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1 Apr 25 i    `* Re: Muon paradox8Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr 25 i     +* Re: Muon paradox3Ross Finlayson
1 Apr 25 i     i`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i     i `- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
1 Apr 25 i     `* Re: Muon paradox4LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr 25 i      `* Re: Muon paradox3Paul.B.Andersen
2 Apr 25 i       +- Re: Muon paradox1Rubin Yablokov
2 Apr 25 i       `- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
1 Apr 25 +* Re: Muon paradox10LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i`* Re: Muon paradox9Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr 25 i +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i `* Re: Muon paradox7LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr 25 i  `* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
2 Apr 25 i   +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
2 Apr 25 i   `* Re: Muon paradox4LaurenceClarkCrossen
3 Apr 25 i    `* Re: Muon paradox3Paul.B.Andersen
3 Apr 25 i     +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr 25 i     `- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 +* Re: Muon paradox91Paul.B.Andersen
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1 Apr 25 i+* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
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5 Apr 25 ii i i   i `- Re: Muon paradox1Thomas Heger
4 Apr 25 ii i i   +* Re: Muon paradox3Thomas Heger
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4 Apr 25 ii i i   `* Re: Muon paradox2Richard Hachel
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3 Apr 25 ii  `* Re: Muon paradox34Paul.B.Andersen
3 Apr 25 ii   +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr 25 ii   +* Re: Muon paradox31LaurenceClarkCrossen
4 Apr 25 ii   i`* Re: Muon paradox30Paul.B.Andersen
4 Apr 25 ii   i +* Re: Muon paradox3Maciej Wozniak
4 Apr 25 ii   i i`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr 25 ii   i i `- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
4 Apr 25 ii   i +* Re: Muon paradox11LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr 25 ii   i i`* Re: Muon paradox10Paul.B.Andersen
5 Apr 25 ii   i i +- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
5 Apr 25 ii   i i +* Re: Muon paradox7LaurenceClarkCrossen
6 Apr 25 ii   i i i`* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
6 Apr 25 ii   i i i +* Re: Muon paradox3LaurenceClarkCrossen
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7 Apr 25 ii   i i i `* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
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5 Apr 25 ii   i  +* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
5 Apr 25 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
5 Apr 25 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr 25 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr 25 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr 25 ii   i  i`- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr 25 ii   i  `* Re: Muon paradox8LaurenceClarkCrossen
6 Apr 25 ii   i   `* Re: Muon paradox7Paul.B.Andersen
6 Apr 25 ii   i    +* Re: Muon paradox4Richard Hachel
6 Apr 25 ii   i    i+- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
7 Apr 25 ii   i    i`* Re: Muon paradox2Thomas Heger
7 Apr 25 ii   i    i `- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
6 Apr 25 ii   i    +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
7 Apr 25 ii   i    `- Re: Muon paradox1Paul.B.Andersen
3 Apr 25 ii   `- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
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