Re: What composes the mass of an electron?

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Date : 06. Nov 2024, 15:45:42
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rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

Energy stored in the electrostatic field of an electron:
 
By 1900, the energy stored in a charged sphere was defined as:
 
E = q^2/R , where q was the charge and R its radius.
 
In that year, Planck calculated the charge of an electron as:
 
e = -4,69E-10  esu OR g^1/2 cm^3/2 s^-1 (4.80325451E-10 esu today).
 
Being Eo = 0.511 MeV = 8.1982E-07 ergs OR g cm^2.s^-2
 
R = Eo/e^2 = 2.81785E-13 cm (calculated by 1955)

Can't you ever get anythng right?
In 1900 there was no way of deriving or measuring the charge
of the electron. Only e/m was known from measurements.
It (e by itself) became known only in 1909,
through Millikan's experiment.
(and the value came as a great surprise)

As for calculation, it is Lorentz who is usually credited with it.
The classical electron radius is also refered to sometimes
as the Lorentz radius.

According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST),
the classical electron radius is 2.8179403205E-13 cm.
 
This was a movement TO MATCH relativity (E=mc^2) with classic physics.
 
BUT, IT'S KNOWN EXPERIMENTALLY THAT THE RADIUS IS ABOUT 10E-16 cm, which
is about 1,000 times LOWER. So, the energy stored in the electron is
1,000 times HIGHER, or about 500 MeV.

The Compton length is nothing but the inverse mass of the electron.
(defined by it, since both c and h have defined values)
The classical electron radius is by definition
nothing but \alpha times the Compton lenth.

Curiously, this discrepancy didn't occur with protons.
 
The cover-up to hide THAT began 60 years ago, when NIST INVENTED the
crap of "classical electron radius" (never used in calculations), and
ERASED the data about the radius of protons and neutrons from its
tables.
 
More curiously, this was done since 1964, when Hell-Man came up with THE
IDEA of quarks and gluons composing protons and neutrons.

Huh?
<https://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?rp>

And yes, the proton charge radius has little to do
with electromagnetism.
It is mainly determined by the strong force on the quarks.
(and can be measured in scattering experiments)

The DARK FORCES OF RELATIVISM [snip more ranting]

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