Sujet : Re: Why a time of the real world must be galilean
De : nospam (at) *nospam* de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativityDate : 16. Dec 2024, 11:49:48
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Python <
jpierre.messager@gmail.com> wrote:
Le 15/12/2024 à 20:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
W dniu 15.12.2024 o 19:50, Python pisze:
Le 15/12/2024 à 14:53, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
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The source?
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http://ttc.web.cern.ch/LEB00Sync.pdf
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But the document is signed "Varela, J", not
"Einstein, A".
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If you expected a paper on synchonization at LHC to be written by
Albert Einstein
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I didn't, but for sure I was expecting stinker
Python to lie that the synchronization for LHC
has been provided by his [A.E.]
I didn't lie.
Of course you did, like always.
The synchronization procedure that A.E. provided is actually used in
practice at LHC. Face it.
Nope. Repeating a lie won't make it true.
It is not, of course. It's fibre, the speed of a
signal in fibre is much lesser than c and - well
- obviously depending on the speed of the fibre.
Just one of the differences.
The procedure only requires a signal with a constant speed
No. Procedure directly specifies - light in
vacuum.
If the procedure mentioned that light emitter/received should be on a
piece of wook would make the math wrong if wood is not used? You are such
a kook, Maciej...
BTW, if you insists on vacum, call this Generalized Einstein's procedure.
It doesn't matter: the math are EXACTLY the same for all sort of signals.
Neither the signal's speed (nor the distance between clocks) appear in the
offsets you can compute from the procedure. See https://noedge.net/e/
The procedure only requires a signal with a constant speed with respect to
the source. Light in vaccum is ok, light in a fiber too. Even a gun
shooting peas could be ok if you don't need much precision. As a matter of
fact (you don't like such a word, right?) when you apply the procedure to
derive offsets to apply to clocks you'll end with formulas that does not
even involve the speed of the signal or the distance between them. See :
https://noedge.net/e/
The genial insight that Einstein started to have in 1905
is the idea of is that all kinds of physics are irrelevant to this.
It is an inherent property of the space-time we find ourselves in,
so it is kinematical, not physical.
Conversely any theory of physics must conform with it,
or be wrong,
Jan
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