Re: What is "local time"?

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Sujet : Re: What is "local time"?
De : hitlong (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (gharnagel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 16. Oct 2024, 20:43:59
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:34:57 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
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W dniu 16.10.2024 o 05:45, gharnagel pisze:
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As usual, Wozniak is conflating two different
concepts.
>
As usual, Harrie spits.
Says the congenital liar :-))

And say nonsense about things he admits he
doesn't know much about.
which Wozniak knows nothing about, which is why
he keeps conflating two different things.

Well, it's not usual that he admits.
I don't know much, but I'm always observing.
Wozniak's problem is his false belief that he
knows more while only being a poor observer.

Humans try to model nature, and since, for
example, trees grow, die and decay, there
is something in nature that changes.
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Oh, there is a wide variety of things
that change in nature. Time, however,
is not any of them. There is no time
in nature.
Wozniak is likely to get hit by a falling
rock; that is, one that is changing its
position in space as a function of time
passing.

It's a purely virtual abstract invented
by humans - for the purpose of describing.
Describing nature and other things.
That's only ONE definition.  Wozniak is a
poor observer because he refuses to see the
other one.  This one:
"Time is what keeps everything from happening at
once" -- Ray Cummings
This is the one as real as a punch in the face.
The punch may come from a person (who is also a
part of nature), or it may come from a falling
rock.

Time is almost always present in  any
description of anything.  That's why
it appears for weak minds to be something
real.
Wozniak has a weak mind because he can't
understand that there are two kinds of
"time": the real one in nature and our
attempts to describe it (with clocks and
coordinates).

Clocks and coordinates and theories are ways
that we model time.  But they aren't time,
>
Clocks are clocks, theories are theories.
Time is obviously not any of them.
Agreed.  Time is a part of nature; it's neither
clocks nor theories.

As for coordinates - we have created a
number of them, and about 20-30 of them
are times.
Of course, DUH!

just as the map is not the territory.
Just as a clock is not time.

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