Re: No true relativist!

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Sujet : Re: No true relativist!
De : clzb93ynxj (at) *nospam* att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 09. Nov 2024, 23:16:47
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Mr. Hertz:
Thanks for the Schwarzschild article. Having read it, it is clear he did
not understand how logically fallacious the idea of curved space is.
That is not indicative of high intelligence. Space is either an
abstraction making the curving of it irrelevant to physical space or a
vacuum making it something with no substance to curve. Curved space is
not permissible to the logical and rational scientist. It's permissible
to the licentious and deceitful. There is absolutely no empirical
evidence for it. It would require that parallel lines be proven to meet.
There is no evidence for a closed universe, which is a finite universe.
They wanted it to be finite so they could apply entropy, which only
applies to closed systems. This is unwarranted. In the Schwarzschild
article you provided he argues for assuming a curvature of space so
small as to be unnoticeable in a universe of the small size he
contemplates of 10,000 ly wide. In this way he makes his curvature
irrefutable by empirical means.
Schwarzschild himself says, "Thus the curvature of a hyperbolic space is
so insignificant that it cannot be observed via solar system
measurements, and because hyperbolic space is infinite, like Euclidean
space, no unusual appearances will be observed on looking at fixed star
systems."
The article starts: "If I presume to present a few remarks that have
neither any real practical applicability nor any pertinent mathematical
meaning, my excuse is that the topic we are considering has a particular
attraction for many of you because it presents an extension of our view
of things way beyond that due to our accessible experience, and opens
the most strange prospects for later possible experiences. That it
requires a total break with the astronomers’ deeply entrenched views
cannot but seem a further advantage to anyone convinced that all
knowledge is relative."
 Schwarzschild wrote, "One finds oneself there — if one wants to — in a
geometrical fairyland, but the best thing about these fairy stories is
that one does not know whether they will indeed turn out to be true. The
questions as to how far we have pushed back the boundaries of this
fairyland can now be asked: how small is the curvature of space? and
what is a lower bound for its radius of curvature?‡."

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Nov 24 * No true relativist!55LaurenceClarkCrossen
9 Nov 24 +* Re: No true relativist!38Ross Finlayson
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15 Nov 24 ii  i  `- Re: No true relativist!1Thomas Heger
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10 Nov 24 iii`* Re: No true relativist!2Ross Finlayson
10 Nov 24 iii `- Re: No true relativist!1Ross Finlayson
10 Nov 24 ii+- Re: No true relativist!1Maciej Wozniak
10 Nov 24 ii+* Re: No true relativist!2Ross Finlayson
10 Nov 24 iii`- Re: No true relativist!1LaurenceClarkCrossen
10 Nov 24 ii`- Re: No true relativist!1LaurenceClarkCrossen
9 Nov 24 i`- Re: No true relativist!1LaurenceClarkCrossen
9 Nov 24 +- Re: No true relativist!1LaurenceClarkCrossen
9 Nov 24 +* Re: No true relativist!3Ross Finlayson
9 Nov 24 i+- Re: No true relativist!1Ross Finlayson
10 Nov 24 i`- Re: No true relativist!1LaurenceClarkCrossen
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