Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity

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Sujet : Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity
De : r.hachel (at) *nospam* liscati.fr.invalid (Richard Hachel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 21. Jan 2025, 17:51:04
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Le 21/01/2025 à 15:33, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 21.01.2025 11:30, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 20/01/2025 à 20:24, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 19.01.2025 15:57, skrev Richard Hachel:
 
So according to Hachel:
>
When Stella is back, Terrence and Stella are co-located and
stationary to each other, and both can see both clocks which are
side by side.
>
Terrence can see that his watch shows 13.5 years.
and Stella's watch shows  nine years.
 
Yes.
 
Stella can see that her watch shows 9 years.
and Terrence's clock shows 13.5 years.
 
Absolutely, the opposite would be contradictory.
 
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In every moment, every second.
Always, always, always, the opposite clock ticks slower.
In all repositories.
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ALWAYS.
This means that while Stella ages 18 years, always, always,
she will have considered, second after second, that Terrence's
clock had an internal chronotropy which was running slower.
 
 Stella can see that her watch shows 9 years.
and Terrence's clock shows 13.5 years.
 So Stella will have considered, second after second, that Terrence's
clock had an internal chronotropy which was running slower.
  Always, always, always, Stella will see that Terrence clock
shows two different times at the same time.
 :-D
 
 
I repeat again for you: "There exists, in the theory of relativity, a notion of relative chronotropy".
 That is to say that the INTERNAL mechanism of watches, watches makes that they do not conceive of time in the same way; each watch, and it is reciprocal, notes that the other watch has a slower internal mechanism, according to the relative speed, the faster we go between them, the more the other watch has a real internal mechanism that seems to beat slowly.
 The equation has been known since 1905: To=tau/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
 This means (5632nd edition by Hachel, the next one is on rotary press) that second after second, Stella will consider that the INTERNAL MECHANISM of Terrence's watch beats less quickly. This means that for all the seconds of Stella's life (9 years in the stars), she will consider that the internal chronotropy of Terrence's watch counts 4/3 of a second.
 And vice versa.
 We breathe, we exhale, and we convince ourselves that Paul has not yet understood Hachel's genius (three Nobels, a doctorate, a powerful thought nonetheless).
 :-D
 
 Yet in the end, they compare their watches, she is nine years old, he is 13.5, and they obviously agree on that, otherwise it is absurd.
 However, nothing interesting happened during the U-turn, she ages a few hours (let's say 24 hours), and he ages 40 hours, so it's pretty ordinary.
 So what's happening?
 We breathe, we blow, we let the master (Richard Hachel) speak.
 Everything happens for Stella, as if a bad watchmaker had made a completely faulty watch for Terrence, and that the INTERNAL mechanism of the watch beat 4/3 times faster if v=0.8c for example.
 It's easy to understand.
 Of course it is easy to understand that when Stella sees that
her watch shows 9 years and she sees that Terrence's watch
shows 13.5 years, then Stella will consider that
the INTERNAL MECHANISM of Terrence's watch beats less quickly,
the opposite would be contradictory.
 I have got it now, so can I please get my Nobel?
The internal mechanism of watches beats reciprocally faster than the other watch.
The physical relationship is To=tau/sqrt(1-v²/c²).
All physicists in the world know it.
This is called the Lorentz factor.
And this principle manifests itself second after second, and for both protagonists, and vice versa.
There is nothing difficult to understand here.
It is true that when said like that, hundreds of physicists opposed Poincaré, saying that it was absurd.
The problem is that anti-relativistic physicists, like relativists, drown in a theory that they do not understand.
It is beyond them that, for example, if we take the example of the Langevin traveler, Stella comes back younger than her brother (18 years old against 30 years old if the journey was made at Vo=0.8c over 24 light years) while second after second, the INTERNAL mechanism of Terrence's watch, FOR Stella beat less quickly.
Just as Paul does not understand this apparent absurdity, thousands of physicists have not understood it either.
An attempt to drown the fish, or to sweep dust under the carpet was attempted by proposing, at the time of the U-turn, a time-gap, which however does not exist. By imagining a U-turn on a large curve in 24 hours at 0.8c, Stella will age by 24 hours, and Terrence by 40 hours, without anything more happening.
I repeat, all this is true and correct, and there is no need to laugh (unless you don't understand anything at all, and you start laughing stupidly).
What physicists have forgotten, and there, it takes a stroke of genius and 40 years of thinking to understand, is that another phenomenon exists, anisochrony, explaining the second part of things (the first is the Lorentz factor and the internal beat of watches). The third part disorients the physicist, and leaves him in a state of stupid incomprehension to cry: spatial elasticity, and the incredible spatial zoom effect that occurs
when Stella turns, and returns to the earth. while she sees, over there the earth which returns to Vo=0.8c, that is to say at an apparent speed of Vapp=4c, for nine years. Which is infinitely logical with the spatial zoom effect (space is a reference mollusk) which carries the earth, during the half-turn at a distance of 4ly, up to a distance of 36 ly.
Paul, Paul, you do not understand anything at all of what I am saying, and instead of trying to understand, you take the theory as a joke.
Just as I pointed out to you that your integration of the ratio proper time/earth time was invalid, because you use the blue curve and not the red segment whose end follows the blue curve while undergoing a rotation.
You take all this as a joke.
Too bad.
R.H.
Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Jan 25 * Understanding the theory of special relativity31Richard Hachel
17 Jan 25 `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity30Paul.B.Andersen
17 Jan 25  +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
18 Jan 25  +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25  `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity27Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25   `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity25Paul.B.Andersen
18 Jan 25    +* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity23Richard Hachel
19 Jan 25    i`* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity22Paul.B.Andersen
19 Jan 25    i `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity21Richard Hachel
20 Jan 25    i  `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity20Paul.B.Andersen
21 Jan 25    i   +* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity18Richard Hachel
21 Jan 25    i   i+* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity2Richard Hachel
21 Jan 25    i   ii`- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
21 Jan 25    i   i`* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity15Paul.B.Andersen
21 Jan 25    i   i `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity14Richard Hachel
22 Jan 25    i   i  `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity13Paul.B.Andersen
23 Jan 25    i   i   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
23 Jan 25    i   i   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25    i   i   +* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity3Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25    i   i   i`* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity2Paul.B.Andersen
23 Jan 25    i   i   i `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
23 Jan 25    i   i   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25    i   i   `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity6Paul.B.Andersen
23 Jan 25    i   i    +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
23 Jan 25    i   i    `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity4Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25    i   i     `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity3Paul.B.Andersen
24 Jan 25    i   i      +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
25 Jan 25    i   i      `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Thomas Heger
21 Jan 25    i   `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25    `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak

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