Re: XhatGPT; How many physicists accept GR?

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Sujet : Re: XhatGPT; How many physicists accept GR?
De : ross.a.finlayson (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Ross Finlayson)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 16. Nov 2024, 03:56:56
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On 11/15/2024 05:52 PM, rhertz wrote:
ChatGPT entered in crisis here, after I asked HOW MANY (worldwide).
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FIRST ROUND:
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ChatGPT said:
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General relativity is supported by extensive experimental and
observational evidence, such as:
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Gravitational lensing
Mercury's perihelion precession
Time dilation in strong gravitational fields
Gravitational waves
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Why Most Physicists Accept General Relativity
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Empirical Success
Predictive Power: It predicts new phenomena, like black holes and
gravitational waves, which have been observed.
Theoretical Elegance
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Challenges to General Relativity
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General relativity is known to be incomplete:
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Quantum Gravity: General relativity is not compatible with quantum
mechanics, so physicists are working on theories like string theory or
loop quantum gravity to reconcile them.
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Cosmological Observations: Phenomena such as dark matter and dark energy
are not fully explained within the framework of general relativity,
though modifications (like modified gravity theories) and extensions are
explored.
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In summary, general relativity is nearly universally accepted within its
domain of applicability (large-scale and non-quantum systems), but
physicists recognize its limitations and are actively seeking a more
complete theory.
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You said:
how many are working on cosmology and quantum physics
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ChatGPT said:
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Here are approximate figures and insights based on the scientific
community and available data:
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Physicists in Cosmology
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Global Estimate: There are likely tens of thousands of researchers
worldwide focused on cosmology. This includes work on:
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The early universe, inflation, and the Big Bang.
Dark matter and dark energy.
The large-scale structure of the universe.
Observational cosmology.
Key Institutions: Universities and research centers like CERN, NASA,
ESA, and institutes associated with large observatories.
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Physicists in Quantum Physics
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Global Estimate: Likely hundreds of thousands of physicists work in
areas related to quantum physics, including:
Quantum mechanics (theoretical foundations, quantum systems).
Quantum field theory (the framework for particle physics).
Quantum information science (quantum computing, cryptography).
Quantum gravity (attempts to unify quantum mechanics and general
relativity).
Key Institutions: Research labs, universities, and tech companies (e.g.,
Google, IBM, Microsoft) working on quantum technology.
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Overlap and Growth
Many researchers work at the intersection of cosmology and quantum
physics, particularly in fields like:
Quantum cosmology: Applying quantum mechanics to the early universe.
Quantum gravity: Theoretical approaches like string theory and loop
quantum gravity.
Multiverse theories: Hypothetical cosmological models arising from
quantum mechanics.
Growth Trends
Increased Funding: Quantum technology and space exploration have seen
significant funding increases globally.
Collaborations: Large-scale projects like the Large Hadron Collider
(LHC) and gravitational wave observatories involve thousands of
scientists.
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In summary, tens of thousands work in cosmology, and hundreds of
thousands in quantum physics, with significant overlap between the two
fields. The exact numbers are fluid and depend on how disciplines are
categorized.
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But how many physicists, per field, exist today worldwide?
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ChatGPT said:
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Estimating the total number of physicists worldwide, broken down by
field, is challenging but possible to approximate based on professional
societies, global data, and trends in academia and research.
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Total Number of Physicists Worldwide
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Estimates suggest there are 1 to 2 million physicists globally,
including those in academia, industry, and government research. This
number includes all areas of physics.
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Physicists by Major Fields
1. General Physics and Applied Physics
Approximate Share: 30–40% (~300,000–800,000 physicists)
Includes experimentalists, educators, and industrial physicists working
in areas like condensed matter physics, optics, and materials science.
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2. Cosmology and Astrophysics
Approximate Share: 5–10% (~50,000–200,000 physicists)
Involves research on the structure, origins, and evolution of the
universe, dark matter, dark energy, and black holes.
Growth is driven by advances in telescopes, space missions, and
computational modeling.
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3. Quantum Physics
Approximate Share: 10–15% (~100,000–300,000 physicists)
Includes quantum mechanics, quantum information science, and quantum
computing.
This field is expanding rapidly due to interest in quantum technologies.
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4. High-Energy Physics/Particle Physics
Approximate Share: 5–10% (~50,000–200,000 physicists)
Focused on understanding the fundamental particles and forces using
tools like the Large Hadron Collider.
Growth is supported by global collaborations like CERN.
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5. Condensed Matter Physics
Approximate Share: 20–25% (~200,000–500,000 physicists)
The largest single subfield, studying properties of matter,
superconductivity, nanotechnology, etc.
Significant industrial applications.
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6. Biophysics and Medical Physics
Approximate Share: 5–10% (~50,000–200,000 physicists)
Growing due to the increasing overlap between physics and life sciences
(e.g., imaging technologies, radiation therapy).
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7. Other Fields (e.g., Plasma Physics, Geophysics, Environmental
Physics)
Approximate Share: 10–15% (~100,000–300,000 physicists)
Includes diverse specialties with applications in energy, climate
studies, and Earth sciences.
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Factors Influencing Distribution
Funding and Resources: Quantum physics and cosmology receive more
funding in developed countries.
Global Collaborations: Projects like CERN, LIGO, and ITER involve
thousands of researchers.
Tech Growth: Emerging technologies (quantum computing, AI, and renewable
energy) are shaping where physicists focus their careers.
While these estimates vary by source and definitions, they reflect the
broad distribution of physicists across disciplines.
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How many, of the millions, accept relativity as a science
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ChatGPT said:
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The overwhelming majority of physicists, among the estimated 1–2 million
globally, accept Einstein's theory of general relativity as a valid and
well-tested scientific theory. Here's why:
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Widespread Acceptance
Core Component of Modern Physics: General relativity is one of the
pillars of modern physics, alongside quantum mechanics. Relativity has
been confirmed through numerous experiments, including:
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Gravitational lensing.
GPS satellite time corrections.
Detection of gravitational waves.
Black hole imaging (Event Horizon Telescope).
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Acceptance Across Fields
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Cosmology and Astrophysics: Nearly all physicists in these fields use
relativity to model the universe and its phenomena, such as black holes
and the Big Bang.
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High-Energy and Particle Physics: Many theories in particle physics
(e.g., the Standard Model) are built on relativistic quantum field
theory.
Condensed Matter and Quantum Fields: Even fields seemingly unrelated to
gravity use principles derived from special relativity.
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Dissent and Modifications
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While relativity is widely accepted, some physicists explore its
limitations or propose modifications:
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Quantum Gravity Theories: Relativity is incompatible with quantum
mechanics at very small scales, so theories like string theory or loop
quantum gravity aim to integrate them.
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Modified Gravity: Alternatives like MOND (Modified Newtonian Dynamics)
are explored to address cosmological puzzles like dark matter and dark
energy.
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These efforts are not rejections of relativity but attempts to extend or
complement it in extreme conditions.
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Non-Acceptance or Skepticism
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Dissenters are an extreme minority, often coming from outside the
professional physics community. Among mainstream physicists, skepticism
of relativity is negligible.
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In summary, nearly all professional physicists worldwide accept
relativity within its well-established domain of applicability. Any
challenges to it are grounded in extending our understanding rather than
refuting its core principles.
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Is it clear now? ChatGPT endorses relativity, even when fail to present
facts that led to acceptance on each field. In particular, cosmology and
quantum physics.
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It refuses to explain the role of relativity in fields like solid state
physics, biophysics, industrial physics, medical physics, etc.
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So, even when being highly conversant, refuses to concede that
relativity is confined to cosmology and particle physics, which have no
practical applications in this world.
Perhaps you'd have it easier to ask, "name a consequence held in each
of these sub-fields, not held in each of the other sub-fields,
held as a consequence of general relativity, and what are thusly
the empirical opinions that define the sub-field".

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