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Sujet : Re: ? ? ?
De : relativity (at) *nospam* paulba.no (Paul B. Andersen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 01. May 2024, 13:00:47
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Den 30.04.2024 13:32, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 30/04/2024 à 12:38, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
 What would a psychiatrist say about a person who
claims that all the physicists in the world are idiots
because they claim that the real speed of particles in
accelerators never can exceed the speed of light in vacuum,
and who claims that the real speed of protons in the Large
Hadron Collider are many thousands of times the speed of light?
>
Could you please tell us what you think the psychiatrist
would say about the person?

 I would offer him my saddened condolences.
 Because it is to be dead to want to argue with the good doctor Hachel on the theory of relativity without understanding for a single second what he is saying.
This is what Doctor Hackel is saying.
Very simple and clear, not possible to fail to understand:
| Den 27.03.2024 07:23, skrev Richard Hachel:
|> Le 26/03/2024 à 21:45, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
|>>
|>> Are you claiming that the real speed of the protons in the LHC is
|>>   Vr = 6927⋅c ?
|>
|> Absolutely.
|>
|> That's what I said.
| Den 27.03.2024 07:23, skrev Richard Hachel:
|> Le 26/03/2024 à 21:45, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
|>>
|>> You are claiming that the protons are going around the ≈ 27 km ring
|>> ≈ 78 million times per second.
|>> The real value is ≈ 11.25 thousand times per second.
|>
|> CERN physicists are doing their job.
|> We have accustomed them to working at classic relativistic speed.
|> So it makes sense that they find the speed they expect.
|> I tell them that the proton rotates 78 million times per second,

 I think you have an intellectual problem.
 Listen again: "There will therefore be an observable speed limit that is impassable and will extend to all the particles and all the phenomena of physics".
You claim that the protons in the LHC are moving
with the speed  6927⋅c, and you claim that each proton
is moving around the ring 78 million times per second.
The physicist who designed and run the LHC know that
the machinery (RF-cavites, bending and focusing magnets)
can only work if the speed of the protons is slightly
less than c, which means that each proton is moving around
the ring  ≈ 11.25 thousand times per second.
Do you still insist that you are right, and the physicists
that designed and run the LHC are ignorant of how the LHC
really works?
I bet you won't answer this question!
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/

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