Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity

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Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 30. Oct 2024, 20:44:00
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Richard Hachel:> Le 30/10/2024 à 18:39, clzb93ynxj@att.net
(LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit :
Richard Hachel:
>
My statement about anisochrony is one of the finest jewels of scientific
thought.
However, you ask an important question: "But if there is no ether, what
do photons and particles in general surf on?"
>
I will answer that since 1905 and Poincaré, the physicist no longer
needs the notion of ether for a second, and he can convince himself that
between here and there (apart from a few hydrogen atoms that wander
around), there is nothing but emptiness, and no detectable or palpable
support.
>
Now, emptiness does not mean nothingness.
>
If we remove all the matter from the universe, between A and B,
something nevertheless remains: space and time.
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This thing on which photons or particles in general surf, is not matter,
it is not ether, it is just TIME.
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R.H.

Say that aloud and hear yourself saying it, and you'll realize how
nonsensical that sounds!

If we extend your logic to the case of sound, we get:

If we remove all the matter from the universe, between A and B,
something nevertheless remains: space and time.

This thing on which phonons or sound in general surf, is not matter, it
is just TIME, except there is NO SOUND if you remove all the matter
between A and B!

Not a very sound way of reasoning, is it?

It is possible to conceive of a space not filled with an aether, just as
it is possible to conceive of a space not filled with any air. But such
a space cannot support light propogation or apply any type of force on a
particle present in this empty space. Without an aether, there is no
gravity and no electromagnetism, just as there is no sound and no life
in a space without air.

And the best way to understand time is: its just what a counter attached
to a trustworthy oscillator reads. All the confusions regarding time
then disappear. You can't have photons or particles surf on the
'readings of an oscillator counter'!


Date Sujet#  Auteur
30 Oct 24 * A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity17LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 +* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity14LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 i+* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity8Richard Hachel
30 Oct 24 ii`* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity7LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 ii `* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity6Richard Hachel
30 Oct 24 ii  +* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity3LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 ii  i`* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity2Richard Hachel
30 Oct 24 ii  i `- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 ii  `* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity2Aether Regained
30 Oct 24 ii   `- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 i+- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1LaurenceClarkCrossen
30 Oct 24 i+* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity3LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Nov 24 ii`* Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity2gharnagel
5 Nov 24 ii `- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1Richard Hachel
5 Nov 24 i`- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1Bertietaylor
30 Oct 24 +- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1Richard Hachel
30 Oct 24 `- Re: A Relativist Beginning a Reasonable Defense of Relativity1LaurenceClarkCrossen

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