Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Attila <<prochoice@here.now> writes:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:33:20 +1000, Maximus
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Attila wrote:

On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:45:31 -0700, Mike Colangelo
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On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:

On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
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On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:

On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
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Attila < wrote:

On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
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Attila < wrote:

On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
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Maximus wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
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Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
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Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
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Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
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and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.
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yes there is, the father.

There is the fourth person...
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If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
murders.

The charge would vary according to local law.  In some
places two murders and in some places one.

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A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!

Reference please.  Or is this your opinion?

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What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
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https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
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per·son
/'p?rs(?)n/
noun
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      a human being regarded as an individual.

An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.

You are now being argumentative.

Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.
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An individual human being,

tautology
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" A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
alive!"

Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.

If you look above you will see I was repeating something
that was said by someone else.  I challenged the statement
and was ignored.
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The origional was posted by The Starmaker
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      "the porter was the last person to see her"

What constitutes a human person?

Good question.

You can't answer it.

Again I did not make the origional statement.
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In fact, you copied a part of a definition posted  by The
Starmaker.
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Historically a person was a human being, which is a
socio-legal term that requires species human and live birth.
This is reflected in the laws that differentiate between a
fetus and a legal person.
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But when exactly does a human being exist?

At conception, of course.

Is a fetus a person?

Not a complete person.

So someone can be a little bit of a person but not a whole
person?  Just what is the difference between an incomplete
person and a complete person?
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a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human

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But not yet a person or a human, just as an acorn is not yet
an oak tree and an egg is not yet a chicken.

A human fetus is definately human. Where do you draw the line to say an
unborn baby becomes an unborn baby?

Famous atheist Christopher Hitchens doesn't agree with you:

https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/a-left-wing-atheists-case-against-abortion