Re: Time as "what clocks indicate"

The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

 
Maciej Wozniak wrote:

>
TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?
>
Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

 
But who assigns 'the hands' to the points?
 
Numbers don't tell you the time, only the hands do.
 
All clocks have the same numbers, but not the same time.
 
It is 'the hands' that tell time.
 
And 'the hands' are just a model of ...the shadow.
 
Are you people forgetting what time it is? There are watches 'without
numbers' on them.
 
It's not about numbers...it never has been.

 
 
Let me put it this way in terms you can understand...
 
 
Time IS NOT "what clocks indicate", ..Time is what the "shadow"
indicates.

This is precisely the point that was settled by Huygens.
(and taken over by Newton)

Huygens, having built the first accurate clocks ever,
faced the problem that the time given by his pendulum clock
did not agree with the time as indicated by his sundial.
(or with the 'noon gun')

Huygens resolved that resolutely: 'time is what the clock indicates'.
Why? Because the clock parts move in agreement
with the mechanical laws of motion.
Next Huygens set out to calculate 'the equation of time',
from the known motions of the planet Earth in the solar system.

He showed that the pendulum clock and the sun dial did agree again,
once the readings of the sun dial were brought in agreement
with the laws of motion. (by correcting the interpretation)

So there you have it, there is only one time,
and it is both the time as shown by a/the (ideal) clock
and the time that occurs in Newton's
(and later Maxwell's) euqations,

Jan

no numbers
no markings
no points
 
Shadows do not follow any marks, points or numbers.
 
Our Sun does not make any marks, points or numbers to indicate Time.
 
 
You people live in a cave of shadows...
 
 
Yous call shadows...hands????
 
 
 
If you remove the hands of a clock, what time is it? The numbers and
markings are still there...so what time is it?
 
 
If you believe the clock numbers and markings indicate time, but there
are no hands...what time is it?
 
 
 
Time is what the "shadow" indicates.