Re: Incorrect mathematical integration

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Sujet : Re: Incorrect mathematical integration
De : r.hachel (at) *nospam* wanadou.fr (Richard Hachel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 22. Jul 2024, 22:37:40
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Le 22/07/2024 à 21:34, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 21.07.2024 23:06, skrev Richard Hachel:
 Let's look at the LHC again.
 The length of the circuit is L = 27 k, γ = 7460
 L=27 km
 γ = 7460
 I admit it.
The real speed of the proton in the lab frame is
v = 0.999999991·c
 Vo=0.999999991c
 Vr=Vo/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)  anosochronic lure, Vr=7453.56c
 Vo=Vr/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²)=0.999999991c

 The real time measured in the lab frame for the proton to go
around the circuit is
  T = L/v ≈ 90 μs
 Absolutely.
 The proper time of a proton to go around the circuit is
  τ = T/γ ≈ 12 ns
 That's what I say. 
"proper speed" = L/τ = 6947c
 Yes.

This "speed" is not the speed of a proton or anything else.
 It is.  Calculate p=mVr and E=mc².sqrt(1+Vr²/c²)

The proton is moving at the speed 0.999999991·c relative to the lab,
and the lab is moving at the speed 0.999999991·c relative to the proton.
 That what I say.  There is nothing illogical or abnormal there.

And you thought that the real speed speed of the proton in the lab frame
was 6947c and therefore you "tell them [the physicists at CERN]  that
the proton rotates 78 million times per second".
 Which is 6933 times the real number,  ≈ 11.25 thousand times per second.
But no!
We can't say that if a proton spins once, it spins thousands of times, that's stupid.
No one will ever tell you that.
R.H.
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