Re: "Time" vs "physical time"

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Sujet : Re: "Time" vs "physical time"
De : ttt_heg (at) *nospam* web.de (Thomas Heger)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 09. Aug 2024, 06:30:21
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Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 09:39 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
W dniu 08.08.2024 o 08:46, Thomas Heger pisze:
Am Dienstag000006, 06.08.2024 um 12:21 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
W dniu 06.08.2024 o 11:15, Richard Hachel pisze:
Le 06/08/2024 à 10:02, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
When a real person in the real world
says "time" - he/she doesn't refer
to your mystical crap at all. The
word usually means one of zone times
or UTC; TAI is referred rarely, but it
is still important. NONE of them is
observer dependent.
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That's why The Shit is opposed so
fiercely by "laymen". Whet they
refer as "time" simply doesn't
have those absurd properties invented
by your idiot guru for pseudotime he
liked.
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I don't understand what you're saying.
Of course, solar time depends on the person's location
None of the mentioned above is "solar time".
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But where I think you're making a mistake is when you think that we can adjust this with a universal clock, independent of the sun, and which would give a universal time.
This conception is false, and any clock can only give a local time.
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B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.
Time was never local and it's not
going to become local just because some
idiots want it to.  We can set clocks to
whatever we want. And we don't want to set
them to your local idiocy. Face it.
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Time is a local phenomenon,
 It is neither local, nor a phenomenon.
"Time in the meaning of a physicist/wannabe physicist"
may be both in their precious mystical gedankenwelts, but
the entities referred as "time" by sane people in the real
world - UTC, TAI, zone times - are coordinates: abstract,
human made, purely virtual. And, last but not least -
observer independent.
Anything observable is a phenomenon.
Since time is observable, I call it a (locally observable) phenomenon.
And time is not a coordinate!
The idea of time is based on counting repeated events, which occur at a (seemingly) constant frequency.
You may eventually 'serialise' such a process of counting and draw something on a chart.
In this case time would be a coordinate.
But such a chart ins't a natural phenomenon, but a manmade artifact.
TH

Date Sujet#  Auteur
6 Aug 24 * "Time" vs "physical time"43Maciej Wozniak
6 Aug 24 +* Re: "Time" vs "physical time"30Richard Hachel
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9 Aug 24 ii`- Re: "Time" vs "physical time"1Thomas Heger
8 Aug 24 i`* Re: "Time" vs "physical time"25Paul.B.Andersen
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6 Aug 24    `* Re: "Time" vs "physical time"9Maciej Wozniak
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6 Aug 24         +- Re: "Time" vs "physical time"1Maciej Wozniak
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