Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage

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Sujet : Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage
De : ttt_heg (at) *nospam* web.de (Thomas Heger)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 19. Aug 2024, 07:44:07
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Am Sonntag000018, 18.08.2024 um 12:05 schrieb Python:

Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a correction after a calculation involving the values indicated on these clocks during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
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Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also transform Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization procedure because it allows calculating the correction to apply to clock A.
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*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
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When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
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When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light signal is sent from B back towards A.
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When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
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Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
 It is.
No, it is not!
Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
Einstein's method would cause an error, because if you do not add the time of travel for the signal, you would turn the own clock to a time too early, if you synchronize it with a received timing signal.
This 'too early' would change the setting of your clock to a time too early. This is seen from the far side, where the observers there try to synchronize their clocks with your clock, which is already to early, but with additional (uncompensated) delay.
This would make the whole installation run in a backwards circle.
This is way too obvious to ignore, but not what Einstein had done or written.

 
But this requirement was not fullfilled in Einstein's scheme, because Einstein didn't take delay into consideration.
 The delay *is taken into account* this why (AB)/c intervene, as I've
shown.
The word 'delay' or anything similar did not occur in Einstein's text.
There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as delay calculation.
Delay for a signal from A->B in distance x would be:
x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Now you need to measure this delay, because you cannot measure distance x with rods (at least in cosmology).
But where have you found such a calculation in Einstein's text???
And where have you found any use of the value for delay?
I personally have searched for it but couldn't find that.
This leaves only one interpretation: that Einstein didn't want to take delay into considerations.
This would fit to his obscure method, which assignes different time values to remote locations in different distances, but within the same coordinate system.
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TH

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