Re: Sync two clocks

Liste des GroupesRevenir à p relativity 
Sujet : Re: Sync two clocks
De : relativity (at) *nospam* paulba.no (Paul.B.Andersen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 22. Aug 2024, 11:28:28
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <va73qj$dbfp$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
Den 21.08.2024 22:20, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 21/08/2024 à 20:41, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 20.08.2024 17:12, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 20/08/2024 à 15:39, Python a écrit :
>
Hachel now pretends that tB − tA = t'A − tB can be true or false
depending on the observer.

>
This is what I have always said for at least 40 years.
>

>
Richard, read your watch NOW. Write down the time nn:nn:nn.
The time nn:nn:nn is a proper time (read off a clock), it is
invariant, not depending on frame of reference.
>
Nobody can have another opinion of what time YOU read off YOUR watch.
Or is your deeper and more intelligent opinion that the time YOU
read off YOUR watch depend on the observer?
Can I have the opinion that you read something else off your watch
than you did?

>
How is it possible to fail to understand this?
>
If we have two stationary clocks in an inertial frame,
  and clock A shows tA = t1 when it emits light,
  and clock B shows tB = t1 + td when the light hits it,
  and clock A shows tA'= t1 + 2⋅td when it is hit by the reflected light,
>
then tA, tB, tA', t1 and td are all proper times which are frame
independent (invariants) and "the same for all".
>
  tB − tA = t'A − tB = td
>
The transit time td is a frame independent invariant and
the same in both directions, which means that the clocks according
to Einstein's _definition_ are synchronous in the inertial frame.
>
>
Note this:
-----------
It is an indisputable FACT that according to Einstein's definition
the clocks are synchronous in the inertial frame.
>
It is not possible to have different opinions about this.

 Yes, it is possible to have a much deeper and more intelligent opinion on the matter.
Does that mean that your deeper and more intelligent opinion is
that it is NOT a fact that according to Einstein's definition
the clocks are synchronous in the inertial frame?

 I am surprised by the stupidity (I do not say this maliciously but with sadness) of those who read me, and who, surprised, do not understand anything at all of what I explain to them.
 
See? You don't even try to address what I write, you flee,
whining about why nobody acknowledge your genius.
You never EXPLAIN anything. You only CLAIM a lot of nonsense.
But now you have the opportunity to EXPLAIN why the clocks
according to Einstein's definition are NOT synchronous in
the inertial frame.
Can you do that?
If we have two stationary clocks in an inertial frame,
  and clock A shows tA = t1 when it emits light,
  and clock B shows tB = t1 + td when the light hits it,
  and clock A shows tA'= t1 + 2⋅td when it is hit by the reflected light,
then tA, tB, tA', t1 and td are all proper times which are frame
independent (invariants) and "the same for all".
  tB − tA = t'A − tB = td
The transit time td is a frame independent invariant and
the same in both directions, which means that the clocks according
to Einstein's _definition_ are synchronous in the inertial frame.
--------------
I bet you will flee the challenge yet again. Prove me wrong!
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/

Date Sujet#  Auteur
15 Aug 24 * Sync two clocks154Richard Hachel
15 Aug 24 +- Re: Sync two clocks1Akaike Takashita
16 Aug 24 `* Re: Sync two clocks152Python
16 Aug 24  +* Re: Sync two clocks13Maciej Wozniak
16 Aug 24  i+* Re: Sync two clocks11Python
16 Aug 24  ii+- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
16 Aug 24  ii+* Re: Sync two clocks6Maciej Wozniak
16 Aug 24  iii+* Re: Sync two clocks4Python
16 Aug 24  iiii`* Re: Sync two clocks3Maciej Wozniak
16 Aug 24  iiii `* Re: Sync two clocks2Python
16 Aug 24  iiii  `- Re: Sync two clocks1Maciej Wozniak
16 Aug 24  iii`- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
16 Aug 24  ii`* Re: Sync two clocks3Richard Hachel
16 Aug 24  ii `* Re: Sync two clocks2Python
16 Aug 24  ii  `- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
16 Aug 24  i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
16 Aug 24  `* Re: Sync two clocks138Richard Hachel
17 Aug 24   +* Re: Sync two clocks6Mikko
17 Aug 24   i+* Re: Sync two clocks4Richard Hachel
17 Aug 24   ii+* Re: Sync two clocks2gharnagel
17 Aug 24   iii`- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
18 Aug 24   ii`- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
17 Aug 24   i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Schepkin Baiguloff
19 Aug 24   `* Re: Sync two clocks131Paul.B.Andersen
19 Aug 24    +- Re: Sync two clocks1Maciej Wozniak
20 Aug 24    +* Re: Sync two clocks66Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    i+* Re: Sync two clocks10gharnagel
20 Aug 24    ii+- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii+- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii+- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii`* Re: Sync two clocks6Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii `* Re: Sync two clocks5gharnagel
20 Aug 24    ii  +* Re: Sync two clocks3Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii  i`* Re: Sync two clocks2gharnagel
20 Aug 24    ii  i `- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii  `- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    i+* Re: Sync two clocks52Mikko
20 Aug 24    ii+* Re: Sync two clocks30Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    iii+* Re: Sync two clocks4Python
20 Aug 24    iiii`* Re: Sync two clocks3Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    iiii +- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
20 Aug 24    iiii `- Re: Sync two clocks1gharnagel
22 Aug 24    iii`* Re: Sync two clocks25Mikko
22 Aug 24    iii `* Re: Sync two clocks24J. J. Lodder
22 Aug 24    iii  `* Re: Sync two clocks23Python
22 Aug 24    iii   `* Re: Sync two clocks22Richard Hachel
22 Aug 24    iii    `* Re: Sync two clocks21Richard Hachel
22 Aug 24    iii     `* Re: Sync two clocks20Paul.B.Andersen
22 Aug 24    iii      `* Re: Sync two clocks19Richard Hachel
23 Aug 24    iii       `* Re: Sync two clocks18Paul.B.Andersen
23 Aug 24    iii        +* Re: Sync two clocks4Richard Hachel
23 Aug 24    iii        i+- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
23 Aug 24    iii        i+- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
23 Aug 24    iii        i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Paul.B.Andersen
23 Aug 24    iii        +* Re: Sync two clocks2Richard Hachel
23 Aug 24    iii        i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Paul.B.Andersen
23 Aug 24    iii        +* Re: Sync two clocks8Richard Hachel
23 Aug 24    iii        i+* Re: Sync two clocks4Python
23 Aug 24    iii        ii`* Re: Sync two clocks3Richard Hachel
23 Aug 24    iii        ii +- Re: Sync two clocks1Paul.B.Andersen
24 Aug 24    iii        ii `- Re: Sync two clocks1Paul.B.Andersen
23 Aug 24    iii        i`* Re: Sync two clocks3Paul.B.Andersen
23 Aug 24    iii        i +- Re: Sync two clocks1Richard Hachel
25 Aug 24    iii        i `- Re: Sync two clocks1Maciej Wozniak
23 Aug 24    iii        +* Re: Sync two clocks2Richard Hachel
23 Aug 24    iii        i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Paul.B.Andersen
23 Aug 24    iii        `- Re: Sync two clocks1Maciej Wozniak
20 Aug 24    ii`* Re: Sync two clocks21Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii +* Re: Sync two clocks19Python
20 Aug 24    ii i`* Re: Sync two clocks18Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii i +* Re: Sync two clocks16Python
20 Aug 24    ii i i`* Re: Sync two clocks15Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    ii i i +* Re: Sync two clocks13Python
20 Aug 24    ii i i i`* Re: Sync two clocks12Maciej Wozniak
20 Aug 24    ii i i i `* Re: Sync two clocks11Python
20 Aug 24    ii i i i  +* Re: Sync two clocks8Fehmi Bezrukov
21 Aug 24    ii i i i  i`* Re: Sync two clocks7Python
21 Aug 24    ii i i i  i +* Re: Sync two clocks2Athel Cornish-Bowden
21 Aug 24    ii i i i  i i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
22 Aug 24    ii i i i  i `* Re: Sync two clocks4Mikko
23 Aug 24    ii i i i  i  `* Re: Sync two clocks3Python
24 Aug 24    ii i i i  i   +- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
24 Aug 24    ii i i i  i   `- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
21 Aug 24    ii i i i  `* Re: Sync two clocks2Python
21 Aug 24    ii i i i   `- Re: Sync two clocks1Maciej Wozniak
20 Aug 24    ii i i `- Re: Sync two clocks1Badyaev Pavlinov
22 Aug 24    ii i `- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
22 Aug 24    ii `- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
20 Aug 24    i`* Re: Sync two clocks3Paul.B.Andersen
20 Aug 24    i `* Re: Sync two clocks2Python
20 Aug 24    i  `- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
20 Aug 24    +* Re: Sync two clocks57Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    i`* Re: Sync two clocks56Paul.B.Andersen
20 Aug 24    i `* Re: Sync two clocks55Python
20 Aug 24    i  +* Re: Sync two clocks53Richard Hachel
20 Aug 24    i  i+- Re: Sync two clocks1Python
21 Aug 24    i  i+* Re: Sync two clocks50Paul.B.Andersen
21 Aug 24    i  ii+* Re: Sync two clocks10Richard Hachel
22 Aug 24    i  iii+- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
22 Aug 24    i  iii`* Re: Sync two clocks8Paul.B.Andersen
22 Aug 24    i  iii `* Re: Sync two clocks7Richard Hachel
22 Aug 24    i  ii+* Re: Sync two clocks18Thomas Heger
23 Aug 24    i  ii`* Re: Sync two clocks21Thomas Heger
22 Aug 24    i  i`- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
22 Aug 24    i  `- Re: Sync two clocks1Mikko
20 Aug 24    +* Re: Sync two clocks3Thomas Heger
20 Aug 24    `* Re: Sync two clocks3Hanoi Bagdasaroff

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal