Sujet : Re: Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX,
De : tomyee3 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativityDate : 15. Sep 2024, 17:43:26
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 18:31:40 +0000, rhertz wrote:
The first experiment, when atomic clocks didn't exist, was performed in
1933 by a couple of cretins who used the concept of LATERAL DOPPLER
SHIFTING. They made a rotating platform and "measured" a lateral
radiation (which violated SR principles, as it was a platform subjected
to rotation in a lame lab). It was the Ives-Stilwell 1933 experiment,
using electrons. It was repeated many times in the next decades, even
using Gamma rays.
No, Richard. They didn't measure the transverse Doppler shift on a
rotating platform. Direct measure of the transverse Doppler shift was
quite outside the technological capabilities of the time, as I make
quite clear from my Figure 3:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ives%E2%80%93Stilwell_experiment(Under my current and a previous user name, I am author of about 49%
of the text of this article, while my good friend and collaborator
D.H wrote about 26% of the article. I drew the first seven figures.)
The speed of the the canal rays was only about 0.005c, so systematic
errors in direct measurement of the transverse Doppler effect would
have been impossible for them to control for.
Instead, they compared (1) the average wavelength of a redshifted and
blueshifted beam of the blue-green 4861 Å Hβ line of the Balmer series
series as emitted by a beam of "canal rays" with (2) the line directly
emitted by stationary excited atoms in the canal-ray tubes.
They had to overcome a number of technical challenges in performing
their measurements. I consider their experiment to represent an
impressive tour de force in identifying and overcoming these challenges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ives%E2%80%93Stilwell_experiment#The_experiment_of_1938You are usually much better at reading the original literature that
you attempt to critique.
The authors, by the way, were relativity skeptics. They expected
negative results, and when the results were non-negative, they
preferred to explain the results within the context of the electron
theories of Lorentz and Lamor rather than relativity.
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12 Sep 24 | Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX, | 106 | | rhertz |
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