Re: Pseudoscience III: Each SR/GR experiment is a FRAUD!

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Sujet : Re: Pseudoscience III: Each SR/GR experiment is a FRAUD!
De : hertz778 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (rhertz)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 25. Sep 2024, 17:39:22
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And regarding the fantastic HOAX of the Hafele-Keating experiment, I
have analyzed the published data MORE IN DEPTH, and the hoax plot
thickens.


As you, viking relativity warrior, are very prone to spit numbers and
simple equations, that you repeat and reuse like a parrot, I address you
to ANALYZE AND JUSTIFY this part of the Hafele paper:

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PERFORMANCE AND RESULTS OF PORTABLE CLOCKS IN AIRCRAFT
by J.C. Hafele

https://www.masterclock.com/cmss_files/attachmentlibrary/Archived-papers/Performance-and-Results-of-Portable-Clocks-in-Aircraft-1971.pdf
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Go to Page 8 (part of it I quote):

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Although the assumption of an
equatorial circumnavigation at constant ground speed and altitude is not
essential, it does simplify somewhat the calculations for estimating the
magnitude of expected relativistic effects. For an equatorial circumna
igation with constant ground speed v (m/sec) and altitude h (m), the
predicted relativistic time gain for the flying clock over a similar
reference clock kept at "rest" on the Earth's surface is given by


τ - τ₀ = [gh/c²-( 2RΩv + v²) /2c² ] τ₀   (1)

where τ and τ₀ are the respective times recorded by the flying and
ground clocks; R (m) is the Earth's radius and Ω (rad/sec) its angular
speed; g (m/sec²) is the surface value of the acceleration of gravity;
and c (m/sec) is the speed of light. In Equation 1, the GROUND SPEED is
positive for eastward and negative for westward circumnavigations.
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PAY ATTENTION TO THE "GROUND SPEED" OF EARTH. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE
SPEED OF THE PLANES!!

Now, I quote this SHAMEFUL ASSERTION OF HAFELE:

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The actual time gain Δτ is a bit more instructive than the time
ratio of Equation 1 and it follows from multiplication of Equation 1 by
τ₀. Because standard clocks keep the same time while sitting on the
ground anywhere on Earth (at average sea level and to this order of
approximation), only the actual time in flight during a trip contributes
to relativistic effects.

However, ground time does contribute to increasing the random,
unpredictable time offset and therefore to the threshold for detection
of relativistic effects.
(Relativistic effects were not detected during previous flying clock
trips because they accumulate only while the clocks are in flight, and
for those trips most of the time was spent on the ground.) Suppose for
the moment that ground time, for example, for refueling stops, is
negligibly small compared with the time it takes to fly around the
world. Then the time recorded by the ground clock during the
circumnavigation is given by

τ₀ = 2πR/|v|

Solving for Δτ and inserting this value for τ₀ in Equation 1 gives


Δτ = 2πRgh/(!v!c²)- 2πR² Ωv/(!v!c²) - πR !v!/2c²


Figure 1 is a graph of this equation showing Δτ  versus v for altitudes
of O, 10, and 20 kilometers.

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(See attached Figure 1)

Now, Paul, take the time to EXTRACT the value of !v! from the cryptic
reasoning of Hafele. ALSO, try to calculate HOW IN HELL Hafele derived a
value for τ₀, IF SUCH DATA WAS AVAILABLE ONLY AT USNO (Washington).


SEE IF YOU CAN REACH THESE VALUES (I DARE YOU), AND JUSTIFY THEM!!!

τ₀  = 7071.48 ± 691.78 nsec

|v| = -1753.188 ± 81.659 m/sec

THEN, AND ONLY THEN, TELL ME THAT THE ENTIRE EXPERIMENT IS NOT A FRAUD!


GROUND SPEED! WHAT PAIR OF CRETINS, PLUS ACCOMPLISHES!

AND YOU DARE TO DEFEND THIS EXPERIMENT AND THE RESULTS??

DO THE MATH, RELATIVIST, AND TELL ME I'M WRONG AND YOU'RE RIGHT!

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