Re: The Shapiro's experiment HOAX. A 1968 TIME article.

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Sujet : Re: The Shapiro's experiment HOAX. A 1968 TIME article.
De : ross.a.finlayson (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Ross Finlayson)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 21. Oct 2024, 21:11:15
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On 10/21/2024 01:45 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:36:33 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote:
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 22:05:22 +0000, rhertz wrote:
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You are the one who started this by asserting that passive reflections
of EM radiation decay with 1/r^4, and not the usual 1/r?.
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But it is a well-known fact that the received power of the reflected
radar signal from a point target goes as 1/r^4.
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Look up the "radar equation"
https://www.ll.mit.edu/sites/default/files/outreach/doc/2018-07/lecture%202.
pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/radar-equation
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If the target cannot be modeled as a point, for instance if you are
reflecting off of the ground, or if the target, say, is a corner
reflector, then the equation will obviously be different.
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Clarification: I should have qualified "corner reflector" with
the word "giant", of course. A small corner reflector that does
not intercept the entire output beam would also exhibit 1/r^4
behavior.
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Typical example: the corner reflectors on the moon.
With a one meter telescope for beam formation,
and the most powerful pulsed lasers that it will support
you get about one photon back for each pulse.
To get an observable  signal overaging over pulses is needed.
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This is possible because you already know how far away the Moon is,
to a few nanoseconds,
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Jan
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Don't forget "telegrapher's equation", a usual important
fact in transmission that's not Maxwellian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro_time_delay
If it's attributed to time dilation, it could
be instead: space contraction, which is simply
enough length contraction and time dilation together.
"The doubling of the Shapiro factor
can be explained by the fact
that there is not only the gravitational time dilation,
but also the radial stretching of space, both of which
contribute equally in general relativity
for the time delay as they also do for the deflection of light. "
Yeah that sounds like space contraction then though
there's also involve the doubling/halving measure
and doubling/halving space, as if the quasi-invariant
measure theory.
Definitely it points at space contraction, though.
The space contraction is also associated with
the concepts of space "warp" and "folding".
Of course there's no such thing as a closed time-like curve.

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