Re: What composes the mass of an electron?

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De : ttt_heg (at) *nospam* web.de (Thomas Heger)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 02. Nov 2024, 09:39:41
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Am Freitag000001, 01.11.2024 um 19:13 schrieb rhertz:
A definition of mass, as found in Google:
 "Mass is a measurement of the amount of matter or substance in an
object.
It's the total amount of protons, neutrons, and electrons in an object."
 It's "accepted" since the 60s that protons and neutrons are not
elementary particles anymore. As stated in the Standard Model of
Elementary Particles, protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, with
different flavors.
 https://www.quantumdiaries.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2000px- Standard_Model_of_Elementary_Particles.svg_.jpg
 But electrons are thought as elementary particles, so they can't be
formed by a collection of other elementary particles. Even quarks are
currently thought as working together with elementary gluons (QCD, Gauge
Bossons).
 So, what is THE MATTER that electrons contain?
The idea of 'particles' (elementary or not) is imho wrong.
I'm a proponent of a self-developed concept, which I call 'structured spacetime'.
(https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
)
In this concept particles are 'descriptors' of certain patterns (of/in spacetime) as if those particles would create those patterns.
We see actually patterns and assume a reason, which we incapsulate into a 'creation operator'.
This has to be a real thing (in our understanding), hence we assume particles to be real things.
But the realness of particles hinders us to develop certain promising concepts in physics further, especially a connection between GR and QM.
To achieve such a connection, we need to give up the idea of real lasting particles altogether.
The standard model also contradicts an observation in geology called 'Growing Earth'.
As I have spent a lot of time on this particular topic, I'm actually certain, that the Earth does in fact grow.
But Growing Earth and lasting particles do not fit together!
Therefore, one assumption had to go. And I would opt for the particle concept (because the Earth does in fact grow).
This is usually hinderd by the so called 'great materialistic methaparadigma', what to question is regarded as heresie (even if actually necessary).
TH

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