Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.

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Sujet : Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.
De : r.hachel (at) *nospam* liscati.fr.invalid (Richard Hachel)
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Date : 13. Nov 2024, 16:00:31
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Le 13/11/2024 à 06:18, Sylvia Else a écrit :
On 07-Nov-24 5:50 am, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.
  It ditches it.
 According to special relativity time dilation is caused by relative
motion per se.
 This has been rightly criticized as self-contradictory.
 Only by people who misconstrue (willfully, or otherwise) what it says.
 Sylvia
Sylvia and Laurence are both right and wrong.
It is difficult to separate people when they are both right, or when they are both wrong.
I waste a lot of time, but that is how it is, and there is not much you can do with human beings who will always consider it impossible for someone to enlighten them on something.
Laurence is right when he says that if the two protagonists have reciprocally, and continuously, during their entire journey, CLOCKS that turn faster than the other clock, it is absurd.
It IS absurd, and those who stood up against Einstein were right (a hundred authors against Einstein).
And as long as we don't understand, neither Sylvia nor Laurence, the genius of Doctor Hachel, because Hachel is evil, because he is a bandit, and because the Holy Good Lord has decreed that he is the craziest of men, we will continue to swim in a small lake of shit.
And no one will understand anything, and everyone will be happy to pretend to understand.
I repeat for the thousandth time (the thousand and first time is on rotary press). It is NOT the time marked on the watches that is reciprocally continually greater on the watch that observes (otherwise it is absurd), it is chronotropy.
It is CHRONOTROPY.
That is to say the INTERNAL mechanism of watches.
This is what is reciprocally, and continually in question during the whole journey, as much on Stella's side as on Terrence's side.
And there is no contradiction ON THIS.
Because chronotropy is the passage of time on watches, and not the total time measured on watches.
The total time must take into account a second factor: anisochrony, that is to say the relativity of simultaneity.
We therefore obtain in the numerator of the equation a correction to take into account.
And we then have t'=t(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
The absurdity of speaking only in terms of chronotropy is then lifted.
For Stella, during her 18 years of travel sees Terrence age 30 years.
For Terrence, during his thirty years, he sees Stella age 18 years.
Everything is in order, and the theory of relativity remains perfect.
R.H.
Date Sujet#  Auteur
6 Nov 24 * General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.41LaurenceClarkCrossen
6 Nov 24 +* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.11Ross Finlayson
7 Nov 24 i+* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.8LaurenceClarkCrossen
12 Nov 24 ii`* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.7JanPB
12 Nov 24 ii +- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Ross Finlayson
13 Nov 24 ii `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.5J. J. Lodder
13 Nov 24 ii  +* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
14 Nov 24 ii  i`- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1J. J. Lodder
13 Nov 24 ii  +- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Ross Finlayson
14 Nov 24 ii  `- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Maciej Wozniak
7 Nov 24 i`* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
7 Nov 24 i `- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Ross Finlayson
6 Nov 24 +* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.7LaurenceClarkCrossen
7 Nov 24 i`* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.6Ross Finlayson
7 Nov 24 i `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.5LaurenceClarkCrossen
7 Nov 24 i  +- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Ross Finlayson
12 Nov 24 i  `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.3JanPB
13 Nov 24 i   `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
13 Nov 24 i    `- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Ross Finlayson
12 Nov 24 +* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2JanPB
12 Nov 24 i`- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Maciej Wozniak
13 Nov 24 +* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.17LaurenceClarkCrossen
13 Nov 24 i+* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.15LaurenceClarkCrossen
14 Nov 24 ii+- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Maciej Wozniak
14 Nov 24 ii+* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
15 Nov 24 iii`- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Paul.B.Andersen
14 Nov 24 ii+* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.4LaurenceClarkCrossen
15 Nov 24 iii`* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.3Ross Finlayson
15 Nov 24 iii `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2Ross Finlayson
16 Nov 24 iii  `- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Ross Finlayson
15 Nov 24 ii+* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.6LaurenceClarkCrossen
15 Nov 24 iii+* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.4LaurenceClarkCrossen
16 Nov 24 iiii`* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
17 Nov 24 iiii `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.2ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog
17 Nov 24 iiii  `- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Maciej Wozniak
16 Nov 24 iii`- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
15 Nov 24 ii`- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
13 Nov 24 i`- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
13 Nov 24 `* Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.3Sylvia Else
13 Nov 24  +- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Maciej Wozniak
13 Nov 24  `- Re: General Relativity Does Not Rescue Special Relativity.1Richard Hachel

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