Re: Gravitational time dilation HOAX along the years

Den 29.12.2024 19:17, skrev Richard Hachel:

Le 29/12/2024 à 14:27, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :

Den 28.12.2024 15:18, skrev Richard Hachel:

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All my statements have been experimentally proven to be true. All of them.

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If that is true, the following statement of yours
must be true:

For lurkers: this is about the LHC.

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| Den 24.07.2024 00:19, skrev Richard Hachel:
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|> The proton rotates 11.25 thousand times per second in the laboratory frame
|> but 78 million times per second in the proton frame.
|>
|> This is called time dilation.
|>
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The above is equivalent to saying:
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"While the proton runs once around the circuit in the laboratory frame,
  the same proton runs 6933 times around the circuit in the proton frame.
  This is called time dilation"
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Do you still claim that this statement of yours is
experimentally proven?
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:-D

 Please do not use violence against me.
 I never said that and your words are violent and stupid to try to have a hold.
 You make me say: "When a proton makes one turn of the experimental system, it does it 6933 times". That's stupid.
 That's not what I said.

Let's first look at the correct numbers:
Measured in the lab frame:
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  v = 0.9999999896*c     γ = 6933
The length of the ring is L = 26659 m
The proton will go once around ring in the time:
   τ = L/v = 8.89248531e-05 s  ≈ 88.92 μs
  The proton will go around the ring 1/τ times per second.
  N = 1/τ ≈ 11246 times/s (≈ 11.25 thousand times per second)
Measured in the rest frame of the proton:
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  Length of the tube in which the proton is moving:
  (circumference of the ring)
  L' = L/γ
Speed of the tube relative to the proton:
  v' = 0.9999999896*c
Proper time of the photon to go around the ring
   τ' = L'/v' = L/γv = τ/γ = 1.28249e-8 s ≈ 12.824 ns
  A point in the ring will pass the proton 1/τ' times per second.
  N' = 1/τ' ≈ 77973167 times/s (≈ 78 millions time per second)
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A correct statement would be:
In the laboratory frame the proton moves around the ring
11.25 thousand times per second.
In the rest frame of the proton a point in the ring will pass
the proton 78 millions time per second.
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Let's look at the background for your statement quoted above:
| Den 27.03.2024 07:23, skrev Richard Hachel:
|> Le 26/03/2024 à 21:45, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
|>>
|>> Are you claiming that the real speed of the protons in the LHC is
|>>   Vr = 6927⋅c ?
|>
|> Absolutely.
|>
|> That's what I said.
| Den 27.03.2024 07:23, skrev Richard Hachel:
|> Le 26/03/2024 à 21:45, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
|>>
|>> You are claiming that the protons are going around the ≈ 27 km ring
|>> ≈ 78 million times per second.
|>> The real value is ≈ 11.25 thousand times per second.
|>
|> CERN physicists are doing their job.
|> We have accustomed them to working at classic relativistic speed.
|> So it makes sense that they find the speed they expect.
|> I tell them that the proton rotates 78 million times per second,
The point is that you claimed that the _real_ speed of the proton
in the LHC moved 6933 faster than the physicist at CERN said.
The CERN physicists say that a proton runs around the circuit
11.25 thousand times per second, but "I [Richard Hachel] tell
them that the proton rotates 78 million times per second."
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You claim the proton is moving around the circuit
78 million times per second in the lab frame.
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 And that what is measured in one nanosecond for a particle could be measured as 6933 nanoseconds for a clock in the laboratory.

Quite.
When the proton move once around the circuit,
the duration of the journey will be measured to last
τ  ≈ 88.92 μs in the lab frame,
while the duration of the same journey will be measured to last
τ' ≈  12.824 ns in the rest frame of the proton.

 I said that for it, it turned 6933 times faster.

And that is your absolute idiotic claim.
In the rest frame of the proton, its speed is zero,
and the speed of the tube in which the proton is moving is
  0.9999999896*c.
You said the proton moved 6933 times faster than
  0.9999999896*c = 6932 c which is ridiculous.
Adding "in the proton frame" only makes it worse, because
the proton doesn't move at all in the proton frame.

 I never said that it turned 6933 times in the system while we saw it turn once.

You said it turned 6933 times while the CERN physicists said it turned once.

 That's absurd.

Indeed.

 You are the one who is absurd and telling stupid things that I did not say for the sole purpose of destroying an enemy who wants to help you write more coherent and true pdfs.
 I remind you that the way you integrate carrots and turnips is mathematically correct, but physically wrong.
 R.H.

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Paul
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