Re: Fun with ChatGPT: Relativity is a lucky pseudoscience that fails at atomiic level.

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Sujet : Re: Fun with ChatGPT: Relativity is a lucky pseudoscience that fails at atomiic level.
De : ttt_heg (at) *nospam* web.de (Thomas Heger)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 29. Jan 2025, 08:36:28
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Am Dienstag000028, 28.01.2025 um 18:42 schrieb rhertz:
I just tried DeepSeek with the same question that I did to ChatGPT:
 QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
 Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.
    Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.
 Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.
 When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.
   Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
 Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.
Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles on spacetime of GR.
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.
See my 'book' about this idea:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
Relativistic effects are in this concept not related to velocity but to acceleration.
IOW: you could create matter out of nothing, by acceleration of  spacetime.
This should be observable in some cases as 'Growing Earth' or 'magic dust'.
Also the opposite could be possible, where matter disapears without a trace.
  ...
TH

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24 Jan 25 * Fun with ChatGPT: Relativity is a lucky pseudoscience that fails at atomiic level.28rhertz
25 Jan 25 +* Re: Fun with ChatGPT: Relativity is a lucky pseudoscience that fails at atomiic level.26rhertz
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