Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.

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Sujet : Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.
De : clzb93ynxj (at) *nospam* att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 21. Feb 2025, 20:37:17
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 8:26:26 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Donnerstag000020, 20.02.2025 um 22:44 schrieb Richard Hachel:
Le 20/02/2025 à 22:31, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
So you prefer to believe that your derivation that
photons are not affected by gravity is correct,
and that GR's predictions thus are proven wrong.
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So you must be ignorant of the fact that photons are observed
to be deflected by gravity exactly as predicted by GR.
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Because you would not claim that "photons cannot be affected
by gravity" if you knew that they are.
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Or would you? :-D
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Paul
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What is the evidence that photons are deflected by the presence of
matter in space?
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The photons are not affected, but space itself is.
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The idea of GR was, that gravity is actually an effect of 'curvature',
which is itself caused by gravity.
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What gets curved is actually the 'axis of time' local to a certain part
of space.
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What we call 'space' has a certain (geometric) relation to the axis of
time, if we regard the axis of time as imaginary and the axes of space
as real.
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Then we have i as a factor, by which time gets multiplied and what gives
us three real axes of space.
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This space is therefore depending on the direction of time.
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Curvature of the axis of time is actually an acceleration in a
space-time diagram, which usually has one axis of time and only one of
type space.
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Now this can 'curve' and we get gravity, which is a force, that results
from such curvature.
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Now light ('photons') pass through such a distorted space upon force
free straight lines, which are actually curved in spacetime in presence
of a gravitational field.
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This pass is NOT curved by gravitation, but by curvature of space.
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....
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TH
it is good to hear someone here who can plainly explain relativity so
everyone can understand. The only problem is that space is not a
surface, so it can't curve. Non-Euclidean geometry cannot curve space,
so it can't cause gravity. The idea that the concept of curved space is
somehow an improvement over the idea of fields of force is mistaken
because it involves the elementary error of reification fallacy.

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19 Feb 25 * Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.54LaurenceClarkCrossen
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20 Feb 25 iii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25 ii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
19 Feb 25 i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2JanPB
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19 Feb 25 i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.6LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.5JanPB
20 Feb 25 ii +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25 ii i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Richard Hachel
21 Feb 25 ii i `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.34LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
20 Feb 25  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.31Richard Hachel
21 Feb 25  i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25  i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.29Thomas Heger
21 Feb 25  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.10Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.9Thomas Heger
22 Feb 25  i i +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
22 Feb 25  i i `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.7Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i i  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.5LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i  i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.4Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i i  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i  i i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i i  i `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Maciej Wozniak
23 Feb 25  i i  `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Thomas Heger
21 Feb 25  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.15LaurenceClarkCrossen
22 Feb 25  i i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Thomas Heger
23 Feb 25  i ii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Thomas Heger
22 Feb 25  i i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.10Ross Finlayson
23 Feb 25  i ii+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.8LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i ii `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.7Paul.B.Andersen
23 Feb 25  i ii  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Maciej Wozniak
23 Feb 25  i ii  i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i ii  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Feb 25  i ii  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Feb 25  i ii  `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
25 Feb 25  i ii   `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
23 Feb 25  i i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i  `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Thomas Heger
23 Feb 25  i   `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25  `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Maciej Wozniak

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