Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.

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Sujet : Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.
De : clzb93ynxj (at) *nospam* att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 22. Feb 2025, 20:28:37
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 8:26:26 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Donnerstag000020, 20.02.2025 um 22:44 schrieb Richard Hachel:
Le 20/02/2025 à 22:31, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
So you prefer to believe that your derivation that
photons are not affected by gravity is correct,
and that GR's predictions thus are proven wrong.
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So you must be ignorant of the fact that photons are observed
to be deflected by gravity exactly as predicted by GR.
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Because you would not claim that "photons cannot be affected
by gravity" if you knew that they are.
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Or would you? :-D
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Paul
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What is the evidence that photons are deflected by the presence of
matter in space?
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The photons are not affected, but space itself is.
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The idea of GR was, that gravity is actually an effect of 'curvature',
which is itself caused by gravity.
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What gets curved is actually the 'axis of time' local to a certain part
of space.
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What we call 'space' has a certain (geometric) relation to the axis of
time, if we regard the axis of time as imaginary and the axes of space
as real.
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Then we have i as a factor, by which time gets multiplied and what gives
us three real axes of space.
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This space is therefore depending on the direction of time.
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Curvature of the axis of time is actually an acceleration in a
space-time diagram, which usually has one axis of time and only one of
type space.
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Now this can 'curve' and we get gravity, which is a force, that results
from such curvature.
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Now light ('photons') pass through such a distorted space upon force
free straight lines, which are actually curved in spacetime in presence
of a gravitational field.
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This pass is NOT curved by gravitation, but by curvature of space.
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....
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TH
Curving the (imaginary) axis of time cannot curve real space since space
is not a surface.

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21 Feb 25  i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.29Thomas Heger
21 Feb 25  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.10Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.9Thomas Heger
22 Feb 25  i i +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
22 Feb 25  i i `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.7Richard Hachel
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23 Feb 25  i i  i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.4Richard Hachel
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23 Feb 25  i i  `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Thomas Heger
21 Feb 25  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.15LaurenceClarkCrossen
22 Feb 25  i i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Thomas Heger
23 Feb 25  i ii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Thomas Heger
22 Feb 25  i i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.10Ross Finlayson
23 Feb 25  i ii+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.8LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i ii `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.7Paul.B.Andersen
23 Feb 25  i ii  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Maciej Wozniak
23 Feb 25  i ii  i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i ii  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Feb 25  i ii  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Feb 25  i ii  `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
25 Feb 25  i ii   `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
23 Feb 25  i i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i  `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Thomas Heger
23 Feb 25  i   `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25  `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Maciej Wozniak

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