Re: A good new YouTube video

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Sujet : Re: A good new YouTube video
De : clzb93ynxj (at) *nospam* att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 16. Mar 2025, 21:51:49
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 19:16:31 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

Den 16.03.2025 04:45, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 3:36:57 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
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"Where Does E = mc² Really Come From? | The Hidden Origins of
Mass-Energy Equivalence"
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsL2nWsFgc4
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The video explains how relativity assigned momentum to electromagnetism
without mass and then inferred from that that it has mass.
This is a clear case of petitio principii.
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The fine art of missing the point! :-D
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It isn't relativity (SR) that "assigned momentum to electromagnetism",
it was Maxwell who did that. That was the main point in the video!
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E = mc² because mass-less EM-radiation has kinetic energy and momentum!
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Look at the explanation of Einstein's 1906 paper in the video.
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I will give a simple variant of it, using only
Newtonian mechanics and Maxwell's theory.
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Given an empty box with length L and mass M.
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A photon (or EM-pulse) with energy E and momentum p = E/c
is emitted from one end of the box and absorbed in the other.
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When the photon is emitted, the recoil will give the box a speed
v = p/M. When the photon hits the other wall a time t = L/c later,
the box will stop. It has then moved a distance d = Lv/c, so the
centre of mass will have moved a distance d = Lv/c.
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According to NM a mass m moving at the speed c will have the momentum
p = mc. So we can set Mv = mc, or v/c = m/M and d = Lm/M.
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If we move a mass m the distance L relative to a mass M, the mass
centre will move a distance d = Lm/M.
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Conclusion:
When a photon with momentum p = E/c move from one side of the box
to the other, this will move the centre of mass the same distance
as if a mass m with the momentum mc moved from one side of the box
to the other.
E/c = mc -> E = mc²
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This was according to NM and Maxwell. To show that E = mc² is valid
according to SR is a bit more complicated, but it is done.
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My point was to show that the real reason for why mass and energy
are equivalent is that mass-less EM-radiation has energy an momentum.
You still say "duh" (:-D) at the end of your sentences. Did you go to
college on a football scholarship?
It is okay to call some quality of electromagnetism momentum without
mass. However, to avoid confusion, perhaps we should use a different
term.
It is the inference from there to mass that is false.
To presume energy has mass because it imparts momentum is absurd.
Sound moves objects without momentum because it has no mass. Neither
does light.
Kinetic energy has no mass, and it imparts momentum.
To claim light has both mass and not mass is absurd.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
16 Mar 25 * A good new YouTube video6LaurenceClarkCrossen
16 Mar 25 `* Re: A good new YouTube video5LaurenceClarkCrossen
16 Mar 25  `* Re: A good new YouTube video4Paul.B.Andersen
16 Mar 25   +* Re: A good new YouTube video2LaurenceClarkCrossen
17 Mar 25   i`- Re: A good new YouTube video1Paul.B.Andersen
17 Mar 25   `- Re: A good new YouTube video1J. J. Lodder

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