Re: Muon paradox

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Sujet : Re: Muon paradox
De : AetherRegaind (at) *nospam* somewhere.in.the.aether (Aether Regained)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 02. Apr 2025, 20:32:00
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Paul.B.Andersen:
Den 01.04.2025 21:06, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen:
It's easy to understand that the lifetime of the muons is longer and
that time dilation is an illogical fiction divorced from physics.
 
The measured mean lifetime of a stationary muon is 2.2 μs
The measured mean lifetime of a muon moving at 0.999668⋅c is 85.36 μs.
 
These are measured facts!
 
You claim this is easy to understand without using SR,
so please explain why muons live longer when they are moving.
 

SR is obfuscation piled upon obfuscation. It doesn't help in
understanding anything.

Instead, I'll offer an analogy that illustrates what a real explanation
would be like.

Consider a heat shield that any spacecraft that has to renter the
atmosphere needs. If such a heat shield, while testing in a lab, is
heated to the operational temperature, say 1000 degC, and the time taken
to return to room temperature is measured as t_cooldown_lab. Now the
same heat shield when in operation, that is during reentry, as it is
hurtling through the atmosphere, takes far longer to cool down. Of
course, this is because its high speed travel through the atmosphere
heats it up.

Now, let us use Feynman's hunch that a muon is simply an excited
electron, an electron vibrating like a bell if you will, or simply a
"hot" electron. A muon/hot-electron at rest will cool down fast, but the
same hot-electron when hurtling through the aether will remain in its
excited state for longer. In light of the analogy to the heat shield,
there is nothing surprising about this. Just as it is absurd to say that
time dilates when the heat shield is in motion, causing it to stay
heated for longer, it is similarly absurd to say that time dilates when
a hot-electron is in motion!

Date Sujet#  Auteur
31 Mar 25 * Muon paradox88LaurenceClarkCrossen
31 Mar 25 +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
31 Mar 25 +* Re: Muon paradox21LaurenceClarkCrossen
31 Mar 25 i`* Re: Muon paradox20LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i `* Re: Muon paradox19Richard Hachel
1 Apr 25 i  +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr 25 i  +* Re: Muon paradox3LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr18:49 i  i`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr19:01 i  i `- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
1 Apr 25 i  `* Re: Muon paradox14guido wugi
1 Apr 25 i   +* Re: Muon paradox2Richard Hachel
1 Apr18:38 i   i`- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr16:24 i   +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr16:31 i   +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr16:38 i   `* Re: Muon paradox9LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr19:26 i    `* Re: Muon paradox8Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr19:41 i     +* Re: Muon paradox3Ross Finlayson
1 Apr20:24 i     i`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr23:56 i     i `- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
1 Apr20:12 i     `* Re: Muon paradox4LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr08:45 i      `* Re: Muon paradox3Paul.B.Andersen
2 Apr10:13 i       +- Re: Muon paradox1Rubin Yablokov
2 Apr17:45 i       `- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
1 Apr18:42 +* Re: Muon paradox10LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr19:38 i`* Re: Muon paradox9Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr20:15 i +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr22:24 i `* Re: Muon paradox7LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr10:45 i  `* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
2 Apr12:33 i   +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
2 Apr18:46 i   `* Re: Muon paradox4LaurenceClarkCrossen
3 Apr09:18 i    `* Re: Muon paradox3Paul.B.Andersen
3 Apr09:39 i     +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr21:51 i     `- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr18:56 +* Re: Muon paradox52Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr19:17 i+- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
1 Apr19:44 i+* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr19:54 ii+* Re: Muon paradox2Maciej Wozniak
1 Apr22:26 iii`- Re: Muon paradox1Edilberto Gayazov
1 Apr20:19 ii+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr22:42 ii`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr09:21 ii `- Re: Muon paradox1Paul.B.Andersen
1 Apr20:06 i+* Re: Muon paradox43LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr11:00 ii`* Re: Muon paradox42Paul.B.Andersen
2 Apr18:58 ii +* Re: Muon paradox15LaurenceClarkCrossen
3 Apr09:18 ii i`* Re: Muon paradox14Paul.B.Andersen
3 Apr09:40 ii i +* Re: Muon paradox12Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr19:50 ii i i`* Re: Muon paradox11Darling Vassilopulos
3 Apr20:51 ii i i `* Re: Muon paradox10Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr23:03 ii i i  `* Re: Muon paradox9Richard Hachel
3 Apr23:58 ii i i   +* Re: Muon paradox3LaurenceClarkCrossen
4 Apr12:49 ii i i   i`* Re: Muon paradox2Richard Hachel
5 Apr08:37 ii i i   i `- Re: Muon paradox1Thomas Heger
4 Apr06:48 ii i i   +* Re: Muon paradox3Thomas Heger
4 Apr13:02 ii i i   i+- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
5 Apr08:31 ii i i   i`- Re: Muon paradox1Thomas Heger
4 Apr13:13 ii i i   `* Re: Muon paradox2Richard Hachel
4 Apr13:41 ii i i    `- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr21:54 ii i `- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr20:32 ii +* Re: Muon paradox2Aether Regained
2 Apr22:33 ii i`- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
2 Apr22:33 ii `* Re: Muon paradox24LaurenceClarkCrossen
3 Apr09:39 ii  `* Re: Muon paradox23Paul.B.Andersen
3 Apr09:43 ii   +- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
3 Apr21:56 ii   +* Re: Muon paradox20LaurenceClarkCrossen
4 Apr13:55 ii   i`* Re: Muon paradox19Paul.B.Andersen
4 Apr14:49 ii   i +* Re: Muon paradox3Maciej Wozniak
4 Apr23:11 ii   i i`* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr15:57 ii   i i `- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
4 Apr22:15 ii   i +* Re: Muon paradox5LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr10:32 ii   i i`* Re: Muon paradox4Paul.B.Andersen
5 Apr13:00 ii   i i +- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
5 Apr21:53 ii   i i +- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
6 Apr06:03 ii   i i `- Re: Muon paradox1Maciej Wozniak
5 Apr19:57 ii   i `* Re: Muon paradox10Paul.B.Andersen
5 Apr20:01 ii   i  +* Re: Muon paradox6Paul.B.Andersen
5 Apr20:14 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1Ross Finlayson
5 Apr22:03 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr22:55 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr23:15 ii   i  i+- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr23:46 ii   i  i`- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
5 Apr22:01 ii   i  `* Re: Muon paradox3LaurenceClarkCrossen
6 Apr14:15 ii   i   `* Re: Muon paradox2Paul.B.Andersen
6 Apr14:51 ii   i    `- Re: Muon paradox1Richard Hachel
3 Apr22:37 ii   `- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr23:02 i`- Re: Muon paradox1LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr22:08 `* Re: Muon paradox3Kent Bazhukov
1 Apr22:21  `* Re: Muon paradox2LaurenceClarkCrossen
1 Apr23:01   `- Re: Muon paradox1Lane Babenkov

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