Re: Everyone on this forum besides Keith has been a damned liar about this point

On 6/9/2025 1:34 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/9/2025 12:20 PM, dbush wrote:

On 6/9/2025 1:12 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/9/2025 12:07 PM, dbush wrote:

On 6/9/2025 1:03 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/9/2025 11:52 AM, dbush wrote:

On 6/9/2025 12:39 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/9/2025 11:33 AM, dbush wrote:

On 6/9/2025 12:24 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/9/2025 11:12 AM, dbush wrote:

On 6/9/2025 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:

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By replying to a yes or no question with the full
and complete justification forces the respondent
to look more deeply into these things than simply
dismissing a view out-of-hand without review.

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But by not including the yes or no you dishonestly dodge the question.
>

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Not at all. Not in the least little bit. By forcing my
reviewers to point out an error in my actual reasoning
I prove who is the actual ignorant one.

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And since your reasoning is that the input to HHH(DDD) only includes the code of the function DDD as you've stated below,

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*In other words you are too stupid to understand this*
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void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
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The *input* to simulating termination analyzer HHH(DDD)
specifies recursive simulation that can never reach its
*simulated "return" instruction final halt state*
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*Every rebuttal to this changes the words*
>

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Repeat of original point, previously refuted (see below)
>

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If you disagree with the above you are disagreeing
with a self-evident truth.
>

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I see you made no attempt to refute what I said, confirming your agreement.
>

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Not at all. I will not tolerate any scatter-brained
attempt at changing the subject, especially when you
proved that you don't even understand the meaning of
the words.

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Just admit that you're not working on the halting problem and people will stop disagreeing with you.
>

 We have been over this too many times.
Do you really not remember what I said?
 

I remember that you said that your HHH doesn't take a description / specification of an algorithm, and since that is what a halt decider / termination analyzer works with, you're not working on the halting problem.
On 5/13/2025 9:54 PM, dbush wrote:
 > On 5/13/2025 9:48 PM, olcott wrote:
 >> On 5/13/2025 8:31 PM, dbush wrote:
 >>> On 5/13/2025 9:27 PM, olcott wrote:
 >>>> On 5/13/2025 8:07 PM, dbush wrote:
 >>>>> On 5/13/2025 5:30 PM, olcott wrote:
 >>>>>> On 5/13/2025 6:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
 >>>>>>> On 5/13/25 12:52 AM, olcott wrote:
 >>>>>>>> *simulated D would never stop running unless aborted*
 >>>>>>>> or they themselves could become non-terminating.
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> But you aren't simulating the same PROGRAM D that the original
 >>>>>>> was given.
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> It is not supposed to be the same program.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> So you *explicitly* admit to changing the input.
 >>>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> The finite string of DD is specific sequence bytes.
 >>>
 >>> Which includes the specific sequence of bytes that is the finite
 >>> string HHH
 >>>
 >>
 >> No it does not. A function calls is not macro inclusion.
 >>
 >
 > Then you admit that your HHH not deciding about algorithms and therefore
 > has nothing to do with the halting problem.
 >
On 6/7/2025 10:56 AM, dbush wrote:
 > On 6/7/2025 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
 >> On 6/7/2025 9:51 AM, dbush wrote:
 >>> On 6/7/2025 10:32 AM, olcott wrote:
 >>>> The next instruction of DDD that HHH emulates is at
 >>>> the machine address of 00002183.
 >>>>
 >>>> The next instruction of DDD that HHH1 emulates is at
 >>>> the machine address of 00002190.
 >>>
 >>> False.
 >>>
 >>> The next instruction of DDD that both HHH and HHH1 emulates is at the
 >>> machine address of 000015c3,
 >>
 >> *That is not an instruction of DDD*
 >> *That is not an instruction of DDD*
 >> *That is not an instruction of DDD*
 >> *That is not an instruction of DDD*
 >
 > In other words, you're not operating on algorithms.  And since the
 > halting problem is about algorithms, what you're working on has nothing
 > to do with the halting problem.
 >
 > If you would just be honest about the fact that you're not working on
 > the halting problem, people would stop bothering you.