Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error

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Sujet : Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic comp.ai.philosophy
Date : 21. Jul 2025, 15:07:27
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On 7/21/2025 4:38 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-20 15:04:34 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 7/20/2025 3:46 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-19 14:59:41 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/19/2025 4:02 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-18 22:11:50 +0000, Mr Flibble said:
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 13:01:31 -0500, olcott wrote:
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Claude.ai agrees that the halting problem as defined is a category
error.
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https://claude.ai/share/0b784d2a-447e-441f-b3f0-a204fa17135a
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This can only be directly seen within my notion of a simulating halt
decider. I used the Linz proof as my basis.
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Sorrowfully Peter Linz passed away 2 days less than one year ago on my
Mom's birthday July 19, 2024.
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I was the first to state that the halting problem as defined is a category
error and I stated it in this forum.
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Indeed you stated that but failed to identify the actual error. You
did not say which word in the problem statement is wrong or what is
the wrong category or what would be the right one.
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I conclusively proved the actual category error yet
people that are only interested in rebuttal want no
part of any proof that I am correct.
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Is it the same error as Flibble found?
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Flibble's category error is stated abstractly.
My version is stated concretely.
 Could you post a pointer to your version?
 
The category error is a type mismatch error where
a Turing Machine decider is required to report on
the behavior of a directly executed machine yet
cannot take a directly executed machine as an input.
--
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Jul 25 * The halting problem as defined is a category error77olcott
18 Jul 25 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct51olcott
19 Jul 25 i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct23olcott
19 Jul 25 ii`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct22Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 ii `* Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==021olcott
20 Jul 25 ii  +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==06Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul16:18 ii  i`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==05olcott
20 Jul23:50 ii  i +- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
21 Jul09:38 ii  i `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==03Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul15:25 ii  i  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
22 Jul10:12 ii  i   `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Fred. Zwarts
19 Jul 25 ii  +- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01wij
19 Jul 25 ii  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==013olcott
19 Jul 25 ii   +- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01wij
19 Jul 25 ii   +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==010olcott
19 Jul 25 ii   i+* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==08olcott
19 Jul 25 ii   ii+- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01wij
19 Jul 25 ii   ii`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==06olcott
20 Jul15:33 ii   ii +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==04olcott
20 Jul23:11 ii   ii i`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==03Richard Damon
20 Jul23:57 ii   ii i `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
21 Jul01:24 ii   ii i  `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 ii   ii `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01wij
20 Jul 25 ii   i`- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
20 Jul 25 ii   `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]25olcott
20 Jul 25 ii+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]19Richard Damon
20 Jul 25 iii+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]16olcott
20 Jul 25 iiii+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]3Richard Damon
20 Jul15:30 iiiii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
21 Jul00:28 iiiii `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Richard Damon
20 Jul 25 iiii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]12Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul15:08 iiii `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]11olcott
21 Jul09:24 iiii  +- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul00:13 iiii  `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]9Richard Damon
21 Jul00:54 iiii   `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]8olcott
21 Jul01:29 iiii    `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]7Richard Damon
21 Jul01:45 iiii     +* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]4olcott
21 Jul02:58 iiii     i`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]3Richard Damon
21 Jul03:05 iiii     i `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
21 Jul14:26 iiii     i  `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1olcott
21 Jul01:48 iiii     `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
21 Jul02:58 iiii      `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Richard Damon
20 Jul 25 iii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
20 Jul 25 iii `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Richard Damon
20 Jul 25 ii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]5Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul16:07 ii `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]4olcott
21 Jul07:39 ii  `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]3Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul14:03 ii   `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
22 Jul10:01 ii    `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul15:19 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct2olcott
22 Jul10:08 i `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
17 Jul 25 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error9olcott
18 Jul 25 i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error5Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 ii`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct4olcott
18 Jul 25 ii `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct3Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 ii  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct2olcott
18 Jul 25 ii   `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct1Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i+- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2olcott
19 Jul 25 i `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error6Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error5olcott
19 Jul 25 i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error4Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i  +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2olcott
19 Jul 25 i  i`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i  `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2olcott
26 Jul00:28 i`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott
21 Jul15:07 `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error7olcott
22 Jul10:16  +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul14:56  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error5olcott
23 Jul04:13   +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott
23 Jul04:50   +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2olcott
23 Jul09:55   i`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Fred. Zwarts
24 Jul15:11   `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott

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