Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method

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Sujet : Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic comp.theory sci.math
Date : 27. Jun 2025, 18:50:49
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On 6/27/25 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/27/2025 10:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
Something you might want to look at:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LCeKpe8R8
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 When one divides mere rhetoric from objective truth
the above point becomes moot.
 Socratic questioning is an educational method named
after Socrates that focuses on discovering answers
by asking questions of students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_questioning
 I know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
possibly reach its own simulated "return" statement
final halt state because the execution trace
conclusively proves this.
 That no one else can possibly provide a correct
execution trace that refutes this means there has
been no actual rebuttal.
 
In other words, you are just admitting that you use the techniques described in the video.
The problem with your claim that "DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possible reach its own simulated "return" statement" is that it presumes a condition that just is not true for the case when HHH answers.
That is like beigning a claim with, "When we assume that 1 is an even number, then we can show ..."  as you statement has as much basis as that.
The problem is that the actual correct trace has been provided, it is just that you HHH can't do it.
You are just showing that you world is based on you lying to yourself that equivocation, the having on one thing be two different things at once, is a valid assumption.
There is no world where HHH both does a correct simulation, and gives the answer, thus there is no world where your answer has meaning.
Sorry, you are just proving you utter stupidity and ignorance of how thinking actually works.

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26 Jun 25 * Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method116Alan Mackenzie
26 Jun 25 `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method115olcott
27 Jun 25  +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method94olcott
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29 Jun 25  i i+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method13olcott
30 Jun 25  i ii+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method11Richard Damon
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