Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof

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Sujet : Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory comp.ai.philosophy sci.logic
Date : 20. Jul 2025, 15:34:58
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On 7/20/2025 6:13 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/20/25 12:58 AM, olcott wrote:
Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof
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Author: PL Olcott
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Abstract:
This paper presents a formal critique of the standard proof of the undecidability of the Halting Problem. While we do not dispute the conclusion that the Halting Problem is undecidable, we argue that the conventional proof fails to establish this conclusion due to a fundamental misapplication of Turing machine semantics. Specifically, we show that the contradiction used in the proof arises from conflating the behavior of encoded simulations with direct execution, and from making assumptions about a decider's domain that do not hold under a rigorous model of computation.
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 Your problem is you don't understand the meaning of the words you are using.
 You are starting with an incorrect assumption that a "Correct Simulation" can possible show behavior that is not in the direct exectuion of the machine, but that is IMPOSSIBLE, as the DEFINITION of "Correct Simulation" is that it reveals exactly the same behavior as the direct execution of the machine.
 
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Misrepresentation of Input:
The standard proof assumes a decider
H(M,x) that determines whether machine
M halts on input x.
But this formulation is flawed, because:
Turing machines can only process finite
encodings (e.g. ⟨M⟩), not executable entities
like M.
So the valid formulation must be
H(⟨M⟩,x), where ⟨M⟩ is a string.
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You talk about the "misapplication of Turing Machine Semantics", but you have shown that you don't understand what those are,
 Sorry, your abstract just reveals that you don't know what you are talking about.
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Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 Jul05:58 * Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof33olcott
20 Jul12:13 `* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof32Richard Damon
20 Jul23:06  +- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Richard Damon
20 Jul14:05  +* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof9Alan Mackenzie
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20 Jul16:36  i`* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof7olcott
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