Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof

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Sujet : Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof
De : acm (at) *nospam* muc.de (Alan Mackenzie)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic comp.ai.philosophy
Suivi-à : comp.theory
Date : 20. Jul 2025, 17:13:37
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In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/20/2025 8:05 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[ Followup-To: set ]

In comp.theory Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:13:43 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

On 7/20/25 12:58 AM, olcott wrote:
Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof

Author: PL Olcott

Abstract:
This paper presents a formal critique of the standard proof of the
undecidability of the Halting Problem. While we do not dispute the
conclusion that the Halting Problem is undecidable, we argue that the
conventional proof fails to establish this conclusion due to a
fundamental misapplication of Turing machine semantics. Specifically,
we show that the contradiction used in the proof arises from conflating
the behavior of encoded simulations with direct execution, and from
making assumptions about a decider's domain that do not hold under a
rigorous model of computation.



Your problem is you don't understand the meaning of the words you are
using.

This is an ad hominem attack, not argumentation.

Maybe it was you wanting to create that impression by dishonestly
snipping the substance of Richard's post, where he illustrated some of
the words whose meaning PO fails to understand.


It never has been that I do not understand
the definitions of words it is that I have
proven that some of these definitions are incorrect.

You do not understand these words.  You clearly don't understand what
"prove" means in mathematics, and you have been known to have a less than
scrupulous regard for the truth.  Your notion that you have "proven" some
incorrectness is nothing more than a spurious delusion of grandeur.

*The definition of the halting problem is provably incorrect*

Garbage.  It is perfectly OK.  Do you really think that for such a simple
problem, known and understood by millions over nearly a century, any flaw
would not have already been found long ago?  You are intellectually not
up to the task; a typical student will understand the halting problem and
its resolution in at most a few hours.  You have spent 20 years and still
haven't got it.

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 Jul05:58 * Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof33olcott
20 Jul12:13 `* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof32Richard Damon
20 Jul23:06  +- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Richard Damon
20 Jul14:05  +* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof9Alan Mackenzie
20 Jul15:53  i+- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1olcott
20 Jul16:36  i`* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof7olcott
20 Jul17:13  i +* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof3Alan Mackenzie
21 Jul14:33  i i+- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1olcott
20 Jul17:38  i i`- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1olcott
21 Jul14:57  i `* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof3olcott
22 Jul09:55  i  +- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul14:43  i  `- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1olcott
20 Jul15:34  +* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof2olcott
20 Jul23:48  i`- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Richard Damon
21 Jul22:49  +* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof7olcott
21 Jul23:56  i`* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof6Richard Damon
22 Jul04:46  i `* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof5olcott
22 Jul09:48  i  +- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul16:39  i  `* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof3olcott
23 Jul04:15  i   +- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1olcott
23 Jul05:11  i   `- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1olcott
22 Jul05:17  +* The error of the standard proof of the halting problem6olcott
22 Jul09:45  i+* Re: The error of the standard proof of the halting problem4Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul17:09  ii`* Re: The error of the standard proof of the halting problem3olcott
22 Jul22:31  ii +- Re: The error of the standard proof of the halting problem1olcott
23 Jul09:20  ii `- Re: The error of the standard proof of the halting problem1Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul17:22  i`- Re: The error of the standard proof of the halting problem1olcott
22 Jul16:49  +* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof5olcott
23 Jul04:17  i+* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof2olcott
23 Jul09:24  ii`- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Fred. Zwarts
23 Jul05:05  i`* Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof2olcott
23 Jul09:24  i `- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof1Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul18:00  `- Re: Title: A Structural Analysis of the Standard Halting Problem Proof --- Alan Mackenzie1olcott

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