Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error

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Sujet : Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic comp.ai.philosophy
Date : 19. Jul 2025, 13:50:54
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On 7/18/25 11:39 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/18/2025 9:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/18/25 6:11 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 13:01:31 -0500, olcott wrote:
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Claude.ai agrees that the halting problem as defined is a category
error.
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https://claude.ai/share/0b784d2a-447e-441f-b3f0-a204fa17135a
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This can only be directly seen within my notion of a simulating halt
decider. I used the Linz proof as my basis.
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Sorrowfully Peter Linz passed away 2 days less than one year ago on my
Mom's birthday July 19, 2024.
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I was the first to state that the halting problem as defined is a category
error and I stated it in this forum.
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/Flibble
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But can't define the categories in a way that is actually meaningful.
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There is no way to tell by looking at a piece of code which category it belongs to.
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The category error comes from Olcotts ignoring the actual requirments of the problem, and trying to get away with non-programs.
 It does turn out to be the case that the actual requirements
are anchored in a fundamentally false assumption and this
is key the error of the proofs. I finally articulated my
position on this so that it could be understood to be correct.
 
But the requriement *ARE* the requirements.
All you are doing here is ADMITTING that you are lying by working with someother set of requirements, and not the requirements of the actual problem.
This says you are admitting to the LIE of a Strawman arguements.
And, the problem is there isn't a "fudamentally false assumption" in the requirements of the problem, just in your understanding of it, because you just don't understand what the words mean.
The fact that you have persisted in repeating that error for so long says that either you have the pathological moral defect of not caring if you are lying, or the pathological mental defect of not being able to learn these basics, or quite likely BOTH.
Turing Machine can, in fact, be asked about the behavior of the direct execution of another machine, because that machine CAN be fully described to it in a way that fully defines that behavior. The existance of Universal Turing Machines, that can be given such a description and fully reproduce the behavior shows that.
Your LIE that the partial simulation of the decider must be able to be a stand in it just that, a LIE, out of you failure to understand what you are talking about.
Sorry, All you have done is prove that you are just an idiotic pathological liar.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Jul19:01 * The halting problem as defined is a category error72olcott
21 Jul13:30 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2Mild Shock
21 Jul13:59 i`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott
18 Jul00:47 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct47olcott
19 Jul15:42 i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct19olcott
19 Jul18:02 ii`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct18Richard Damon
19 Jul20:19 ii `* Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==017olcott
20 Jul08:57 ii  +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==06Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul16:18 ii  i`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==05olcott
20 Jul23:50 ii  i +- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
21 Jul09:38 ii  i `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==03Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul15:25 ii  i  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
22 Jul10:12 ii  i   `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Fred. Zwarts
19 Jul20:47 ii  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==010olcott
19 Jul21:01 ii   +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==08olcott
19 Jul21:41 ii   i+* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==06olcott
19 Jul22:05 ii   ii`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==05olcott
20 Jul15:33 ii   ii `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==04olcott
20 Jul23:11 ii   ii  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==03Richard Damon
20 Jul23:57 ii   ii   `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
21 Jul01:24 ii   ii    `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
20 Jul03:23 ii   i`- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
20 Jul03:23 ii   `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
19 Jul22:18 i+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]25olcott
20 Jul03:12 ii+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]19Richard Damon
20 Jul04:20 iii+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]16olcott
20 Jul12:13 iiii+* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]3Richard Damon
20 Jul15:30 iiiii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
21 Jul00:28 iiiii `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Richard Damon
20 Jul08:38 iiii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]12Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul15:08 iiii `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]11olcott
21 Jul09:24 iiii  +- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul00:13 iiii  `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]9Richard Damon
21 Jul00:54 iiii   `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]8olcott
21 Jul01:29 iiii    `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]7Richard Damon
21 Jul01:45 iiii     +* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]4olcott
21 Jul02:58 iiii     i`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]3Richard Damon
21 Jul03:05 iiii     i `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
21 Jul14:26 iiii     i  `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1olcott
21 Jul01:48 iiii     `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
21 Jul02:58 iiii      `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Richard Damon
20 Jul04:21 iii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
20 Jul12:18 iii `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Richard Damon
20 Jul08:44 ii`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]5Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul16:07 ii `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]4olcott
21 Jul07:39 ii  `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]3Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul14:03 ii   `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
22 Jul10:01 ii    `- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul15:19 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct2olcott
22 Jul10:08 i `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
17 Jul20:22 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error9olcott
18 Jul00:26 i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error5Richard Damon
18 Jul00:49 ii`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct4olcott
18 Jul14:13 ii `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct3Richard Damon
18 Jul14:58 ii  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct2olcott
18 Jul18:26 ii   `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error -- Flibble is correct1Richard Damon
19 Jul03:15 i+- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul23:52 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2olcott
19 Jul03:19 i `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul00:10 +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
19 Jul03:25 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error6Richard Damon
19 Jul04:39 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error5olcott
19 Jul13:50 i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error4Richard Damon
19 Jul15:15 i  +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error2olcott
19 Jul18:17 i  i`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
19 Jul18:15 i  `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul23:54 +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott
21 Jul15:07 `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error5olcott
22 Jul10:16  +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Fred. Zwarts
22 Jul14:56  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error3olcott
23 Jul04:13   +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott
23 Jul04:50   `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1olcott

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