Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Tarski

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Sujet : Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Tarski
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : sci.logic sci.math
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Date : 10. Feb 2025, 05:03:54
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On 2/9/2025 6:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 2/9/25 6:20 PM, olcott wrote:
On 2/9/2025 5:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 2/9/25 5:30 PM, olcott wrote:
On 2/9/2025 11:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 2/9/25 9:31 AM, olcott wrote:
On 2/9/2025 1:18 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
On 08/02/2025 16:51, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/08/2025 07:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>
(2) Semantics is fully integrated into every expression of
language with each unique natural language sense meaning
of a word having its own GUID.
>
Illusion and the tyranny of delusion, ad nauseam.
>
And I am finishing the job. I may have only one month left.
The cancer treatment that I will have next month has a 5% chance
of killing me and a 1% chance of ruining my brain. It also has
about a 70% chance of giving me at least two more years of life.
>
Food be your medicine, medicine be your food.  Conversely,
good luck with any of that.
>
Instead of just usual model theory and axiomatics
and "what's true in the logical theory", "what's
not falsified in the scientific theory", you can
have a theory where the quantity is truth, and
then there's a Comenius language of it that only
truisms are well-formed formulas, then the Liar
"paradox" is only a prototype of a fallacy,
>
Rather, then there is no such thing as a "fallacy", only
flat positivism and Newspeak.  Indeed, Popper already is
yet another bad joke at best, but WTF would you know...
>
>
In other words you did not understand what he said thus
replied to his words with nonsense gibberish pure rhetoric
with no actual basis in reasoning.
>
 >> there's a Comenius language of it that only
 >> truisms are well-formed formulas
>
True(L,x) <is> a mathematical mapping from finite string
expressions of language through a truthmaker to finite
strings expressions providing formalized semantic meanings
making the expression true.
>
The prototype of a fallacy that he referred to is the
recursive structure of pathological self-reference that
never resolves to a truth value.
>
And, such a mapping can't exist if the language allows references like:
>
x is defined to be !True(L, x)
>
>
When we frame it the succinct way that Ross framed it
 >> there's a Comenius language of it that only
 >> truisms are well-formed formulas
>
And if True(L, x) isn't "well formed" then True fails to meet the requirements of a predicate,
>
Not at all. True(L,x) is no longer baffled by semantically
incorrect expressions and rejects them as IFF ill-formed-formula.
>
  So, what does True(L, x) say for an x defined as !True(L, x)
 All answers are just wrong.
 
*The simplest way for you to understand this is*
On 2/8/2025 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
 > then there's a Comenius language of it that only
 > truisms are well-formed formulas...
In the Comenius language: x := ~True(L,x)
is rejected as an ill-formed-formula.
Ross really did boil down the essence much more succinctly.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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31 Jan 25 * Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception437olcott
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