Sujet : Re: Replacement of Cardinality
De : james.g.burns (at) *nospam* att.net (Jim Burns)
Groupes : sci.logic sci.mathDate : 04. Aug 2024, 17:39:06
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On 8/4/2024 11:29 AM, WM wrote:
Le 03/08/2024 à 21:54, Jim Burns a écrit :
On 8/3/2024 10:23 AM, WM wrote:
I recognized lately that you use
the wrong definition of NUF.
>
Here is the correct definition:
There exist NUF(x) unit fractions u, such that
for all y >= x: u < y.
>
Here is an equivalent definition:
There exist NUF(x) unit fractions u, such that
u < x
>
Note that the order is ∃ u ∀ y.
>
The order is ∀x ∃u ∀y
The order of the claim which you (WM) address
in an attempt to "prove" dark numbers is
∀ᴿx > 0:
∃U ⊆ ⅟ℕ ∧ |U| = ℵ₀:
∀ᴿy ≥ x:
y >ᵉᵃᶜʰ U
That claim and the following claim are
either both true or both false.
∀ᴿx > 0:
∃U ⊆ ⅟ℕ ∧ |U| = ℵ₀:
x >ᵉᵃᶜʰ U
∃u ∀x ∀y is an unreliable quantifier shift.
>
It is not a shift but it is the definition of NUF.
Your recently corrected definition of NUF is
NUF(x) =
|{u ∈ ⅟ℕ: ∀ᴿy ≥ x: y > u}|
That definition is equivalent to
NUF(x) =
|{u ∈ ⅟ℕ: x > u}|
Note that,
for x > 0, {u ∈ ⅟ℕ: x > u}
is maximummed and down.stepped and non.max.up.stepped.
For x > 0: |{u ∈ ⅟ℕ: x > u}| = ℵ₀
The claim you (WM) use
∃U ⊆ ⅟ℕ ∧ |U| = ℵ₀:
∀ᴿx > 0:
∀ᴿy ≥ x:
y >ᵉᵃᶜʰ U
is an unreliable quantifier shift from
the claim we make
∀ᴿx > 0:
∃U ⊆ ⅟ℕ ∧ |U| = ℵ₀:
∀ᴿy ≥ x:
y >ᵉᵃᶜʰ U
It excludes that ∃u ∀x>0: u < x,
Only you (WM) think that ∃u ∀x>0: u < x
follows from ∀x>0 ∃u: u < x,
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26 Jul 24 | Replacement of Cardinality | 709 | | WM |
26 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | joes |
27 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 66 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 65 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 64 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | joes |
28 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 60 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 59 | | WM |
28 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 58 | | Richard Damon |
29 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 57 | | WM |
29 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Python |
30 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 55 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jul 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 54 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 53 | | Richard Damon |
31 Jul 24 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 52 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 11 | | joes |
1 Aug 24 |              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 10 | | WM |
1 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Jim Burns |
1 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Jim Burns |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
2 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
1 Aug 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 40 | | Richard Damon |
1 Aug 24 |              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 39 | | WM |
1 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 29 | | joes |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 27 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 26 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 25 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 24 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 23 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 22 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |                      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 21 | | WM |
3 Aug 24 |                       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 20 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 |                        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 19 | | WM |
4 Aug 24 |                         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 |                          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | WM |
6 Aug 24 |                           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 |                            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
7 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 |                         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 13 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 |                          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 12 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
6 Aug 24 |                           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 11 | | Moebius |
6 Aug 24 |                            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Jim Burns |
6 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
6 Aug 24 |                            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 8 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
6 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | FromTheRafters |
6 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 6 | | Moebius |
6 Aug 24 |                              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
7 Aug 24 |                              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
7 Aug 24 |                               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Moebius |
7 Aug 24 |                                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
16 Aug 24 |                                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 9 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 8 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | joes |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |                    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
3 Aug 24 |                     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 20 | | Mikko |
27 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 19 | | WM |
29 Jul 24 |    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 18 | | Mikko |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 17 | | WM |
30 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 13 | | Mikko |
30 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 12 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 11 | | Mikko |
31 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 10 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 9 | | Mikko |
2 Aug 24 |           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 8 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
3 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Mikko |
3 Aug 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 620 | | Jim Burns |
28 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 610 | | WM |
28 Jul 24 |    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 609 | | Jim Burns |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 47 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 46 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 45 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 44 | | Jim Burns |
29 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 43 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 14 | | Ross Finlayson |
1 Jan 25 |           Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 13 | | Ross Finlayson |
1 Jan 25 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 12 | | Jim Burns |
2 Jan 25 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 11 | | Ross Finlayson |
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29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 560 | | WM |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
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