Sujet : Re: Replacement of Cardinality
De : invalid (at) *nospam* example.invalid (Moebius)
Groupes : sci.logic sci.mathDate : 05. Aug 2024, 01:03:03
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Am 05.08.2024 um 01:41 schrieb Jim Burns:
On 8/4/2024 7:12 PM, Moebius wrote:
Am 04.08.2024 um 22:16 schrieb Jim Burns:
On 8/4/2024 2:13 PM, WM wrote:
When all x are involved,
the universal quantifier is usually not written.
>
When a universal quantifier is not written,
it is implicit, and
it can only stand implicitly outside the formula.
>
Right.
Still there's a distinct problem with "implicit quantification"
IN THIS CASE.
(Hence WM's "argument" is nonsense anyway.)
Yes.
Here we need "∀x > 0".
Clearly an "implicit quantifier" does not know that he's restricted to "x > 0".
We can re.write
∀ᴿx>0: NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
Let's (for simplicity) assume that our domain of discourse is IR:
∀x>0: NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
Then we can re.write
∀x>0: NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
as
∀x: x > 0 ⇒ NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
and, implicitly quantified, as
x > 0 ⇒ NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
Sure, but WM's "implicitely quantified" formula did not consist of an implication with antecedence "x > 0".
To make a long story short: "implicit quantification" does not work for (with?) "restricted quantifiers".
Again: I may claim that
NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
is "implicitely (all)quantified".
But
∀x: NUFᵈᵉᶠ(x) = ℵ₀
would be wrong.
Nuff said.
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26 Jul 24 | Replacement of Cardinality | 709 | | WM |
26 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | joes |
27 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 66 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 65 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 64 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | joes |
28 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 60 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 59 | | WM |
28 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 58 | | Richard Damon |
29 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 57 | | WM |
29 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Python |
30 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 55 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jul 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 54 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 53 | | Richard Damon |
31 Jul 24 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 52 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 11 | | joes |
1 Aug 24 |              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 10 | | WM |
1 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Jim Burns |
1 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Jim Burns |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
2 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
1 Aug 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 40 | | Richard Damon |
1 Aug 24 |              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 39 | | WM |
1 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 29 | | joes |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 27 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 26 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 25 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 24 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 23 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 22 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |                      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 21 | | WM |
3 Aug 24 |                       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 20 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 |                        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 19 | | WM |
4 Aug 24 |                         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 |                          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | WM |
6 Aug 24 |                           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 |                            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
7 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 |                         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 13 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 |                          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 12 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
6 Aug 24 |                           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 11 | | Moebius |
6 Aug 24 |                            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Jim Burns |
6 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
6 Aug 24 |                            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 8 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
6 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | FromTheRafters |
6 Aug 24 |                             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 6 | | Moebius |
6 Aug 24 |                              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
7 Aug 24 |                              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
7 Aug 24 |                               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Moebius |
7 Aug 24 |                                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
16 Aug 24 |                                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 9 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 8 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | joes |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                 Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |                  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |                   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |                    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
3 Aug 24 |                     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 20 | | Mikko |
27 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 19 | | WM |
29 Jul 24 |    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 18 | | Mikko |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 17 | | WM |
30 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 13 | | Mikko |
30 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 12 | | WM |
31 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 11 | | Mikko |
31 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 10 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 9 | | Mikko |
2 Aug 24 |           Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 8 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 5 | | Richard Damon |
2 Aug 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 4 | | WM |
2 Aug 24 |              Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 3 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |               Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | WM |
3 Aug 24 |                Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Richard Damon |
3 Aug 24 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 2 | | Mikko |
3 Aug 24 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | WM |
27 Jul 24 |  Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 620 | | Jim Burns |
28 Jul 24 |   Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 610 | | WM |
28 Jul 24 |    Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 609 | | Jim Burns |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 47 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |      Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 46 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |       Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 45 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |        Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 44 | | Jim Burns |
29 Jul 24 |         Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 43 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 14 | | Ross Finlayson |
1 Jan 25 |           Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 13 | | Ross Finlayson |
1 Jan 25 |            Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 12 | | Jim Burns |
2 Jan 25 |             Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) | 11 | | Ross Finlayson |
29 Jul 24 |          Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 28 | | Jim Burns |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 560 | | WM |
29 Jul 24 |     Re: Replacement of Cardinality | 1 | | Moebius |
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