Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?

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Sujet : Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory comp.ai.philosophy sci.logic
Date : 18. Jun 2025, 02:19:50
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On 6/17/25 4:34 PM, olcott wrote:
void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
   return;
}
 void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
   return;
}
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 When it is understood that HHH does simulate itself
simulating DDD then any first year CS student knows
that when each of the above are correctly simulated
by HHH that none of them ever stop running unless aborted.
WHich means that the code for HHH is part of the input, and thus there is just ONE HHH in existance at this time.
Since that code aborts its simulation to return the answer that you claim, you are just lying that it did a correct simulation (which in this context means complete)
Partial simulation NEVER "define" an input to be non-halting, and the only way for it to give the answer that you claim means that since it *DOES* abort, the "hypothetical" HHH that you are thinking of that doesn't, isn't actually the HHH that is here, and the input that it would look at is different, so irrelevent,.

 The same thing applies to these two, yet they may be
too difficult for a first year CS student.
 int Sipser_D()
{
   if (HHH(Sipser_D) == 1)
     return 0;
   return 1;
}
 int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
 
And the same comment applies here.
Since you are admitting that you HHH returns 0 in all these cases, *ALL* of these input are halting (and Sipser_D returns 1) so your HHH is just incorrect in every case.
All you are doing is proving that you are nothing but a stupid liar.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Jun 25 * How do simulating termination analyzers work?58olcott
18 Jun 25 +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?31Richard Damon
18 Jun 25 i`* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?30olcott
18 Jun 25 i +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?24Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 25 i i`* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?23olcott
18 Jun 25 i i +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?2olcott
19 Jun 25 i i i`- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
19 Jun 25 i i +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?15Richard Damon
19 Jun 25 i i i`* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?14olcott
19 Jun 25 i i i +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?7Fred. Zwarts
19 Jun 25 i i i i`* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?6olcott
20 Jun 25 i i i i +- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
20 Jun 25 i i i i `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?4Fred. Zwarts
20 Jun 25 i i i i  `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?3olcott
21 Jun 25 i i i i   +- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
22 Jun 25 i i i i   `- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Fred. Zwarts
20 Jun 25 i i i `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?6Richard Damon
20 Jun 25 i i i  `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?5olcott
20 Jun 25 i i i   `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?4Fred. Zwarts
20 Jun 25 i i i    `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?3olcott
21 Jun 25 i i i     +- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
22 Jun 25 i i i     `- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Fred. Zwarts
19 Jun 25 i i `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?5Fred. Zwarts
19 Jun 25 i i  `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?4olcott
20 Jun 25 i i   `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?3Fred. Zwarts
20 Jun 25 i i    `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?2olcott
21 Jun 25 i i     `- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
18 Jun 25 i `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?5Richard Damon
18 Jun 25 i  `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?4olcott
18 Jun 25 i   +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?2olcott
19 Jun 25 i   i`- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
19 Jun 25 i   `- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?1Richard Damon
5 Jul 25 `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE26olcott
5 Jul 25  `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE25Alan Mackenzie
6 Jul 25   `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE24olcott
6 Jul 25    `* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE23Alan Mackenzie
7 Jul 25     +- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE1olcott
17 Jul14:47     +* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE5olcott
18 Jul00:19     i+- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE1Richard Damon
18 Jul12:13     i+- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE1Fred. Zwarts
17 Jul15:11     i`* Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE2olcott
18 Jul11:50     i `- Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work? ---Truth Maker Maximalism FULL_TRACE1Fred. Zwarts
17 Jul15:44     `* Halting Problem Proof ERROR16olcott
18 Jul12:17      +* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR11Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul17:09      i`* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR10olcott
19 Jul09:26      i `* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR9Fred. Zwarts
19 Jul15:23      i  `* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR8olcott
20 Jul08:54      i   +* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR4Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul16:16      i   i`* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR3olcott
21 Jul09:10      i   i `* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR2Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul14:36      i   i  `- Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR1olcott
19 Jul18:23      i   `* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR3Richard Damon
19 Jul20:59      i    `* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR2olcott
20 Jul03:23      i     `- Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR1Richard Damon
19 Jul16:11      `* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR4olcott
20 Jul16:02       +* Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR2olcott
21 Jul15:04       i`- Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR1olcott
19 Jul18:31       `- Re: Halting Problem Proof ERROR1Richard Damon

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