Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==0

Op 20.jul.2025 om 17:18 schreef olcott:

On 7/20/2025 2:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 19.jul.2025 om 21:19 schreef olcott:

On 7/19/2025 12:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 7/19/25 10:42 AM, olcott wrote:

On 7/18/2025 3:49 AM, joes wrote:
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That is wrong. It is, as you say, very obvious that HHH cannot simulate
DDD past the call to HHH. You just draw the wrong conclusion from it.
(Aside: what "seems" to you will convince no one. You can just call
everybody dishonest. Also, they are not "your reviewers".)
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For the purposes of this discussion this is the
100% complete definition of HHH. It is the exact
same one that I give to all the chat bots.
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Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until
it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When
HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation
and returns 0.

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So, the only HHH that meets your definition is the HHH that never detects the pattern and aborts, and thus never returns.
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All of the Chat bots conclude that HHH(DDD) is correct
to reject its input as non-halting because this input
specified recursive simulation. They figure this out
on their own without any prompting.
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https://chatgpt.com/share/687aa4c2-b814-8011-9e7d-b85c03b291eb
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I just read a news item where an AI told that bread with shit is a nice desert. So, we know what a proof by AI means.

 That would be a detectable error.
 There is no detectable error in the above link
pertaining to the correct return value of HHH(DDD).
 

Errors have been detected in the input for the chat-box and pointed out to you.
E.g., that ' HHH simulates its input until it detects a non-terminating behaviour pattern' contradicts 'When HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation and returns 0'.
When HHH aborts, the simulated HHH does as well, so the case that the such a HHH would correctly detect non-termination does not exists.
When feeding a chatbox with contradicting input, it is no surprise to see invalid conclusion.