Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity)

On 1/1/2025 7:28 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:

On 01/01/2025 01:14 PM, Jim Burns wrote:

On 07/29/2024 12:44 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:

On 07/29/2024 05:32 AM, Jim Burns wrote:

On 7/28/2024 7:42 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:

about ubiquitous ordinals

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What are ubiquitous ordinal?

So, "ubiquitous ordinals"
is exactly what it says.

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It's surprising
how unhelpful some answers can be.

I'd so hope to be helpful,
it's categorized under virtue
somewhere between
thrifty and reverent or reverent and clean,
so I'd wonder,
is it, "un-helpful", in,
"can't think it", or,
"keep thinking it", or,
"keeps rebooting".

'Unhelpful' as in
"empty of new information".
--  It says what it says.
Yes, and ... ?
unhelpful.
⎛ I yam what's I yam
⎝ an' dat's all that I yam.
helpful.
⎛ I'm strong to the finich
⎜ 'cause I eats me spinach.
⎜ I'm Popeye the Sailor Man
⎝ <toot toot>.
----

it's categorized under virtue
somewhere between
thrifty and reverent or reverent and clean,

I'm thinking more of the Gricean maxim
"Be informative".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle
Philosopher Paul Grice describes
the behavior which those in a conversation
engage in and assume others engage in.
The problem I have with calling that a virtue
is that,
for a too.large.fraction of people,
that is an argument against being helpful,
virtue having been redefined to be
in opposition to virility.