Re: Humans can't observe time. Even less, the pass of time. Science is an illusion.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 1:02:23 +0000, rhertz wrote:

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 0:03:16 +0000, gharnagel wrote:

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 21:08:06 +0000, Physfitfreak wrote:

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On 4/23/25 3:44 PM, rhertz wrote:

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Space is what allows matter to exist,

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That's not a definition of space. that's an excuse for matter to

exist.

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Wait wait wait.. Talk about space without introducing any other

physical

quantity in it. Don't cheat!

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Indeed!
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Assume nothing else exists but space. Then say what space is.

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Exactly!  What is SPACE?
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I've been reading an old book (1999) by Brian Green, "The Elegant
Universe" where he was preaching string theory.  I'm reading about
Calabi-Yau spaces.  Admittedly, these would be models of reality
at best, but I got to thinking: WHAT are they modeling?  And that
led me to think about zero point fields.  We usually mean virtual
electron-positron sea, but there's a sea of each and every virtual
particle pair.  And then Hertz asks the question: what is space?
Space is filled with these virtual particle pairs.  So the question
is: which came first?

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You don't need to descend to esoteric, unproven and barely new
Gobbledygook

Why not?  It's what you do all the time.

that emerged from quantum physics a century ago.

String theory actually had three "emergenses" -- it was also on
life support two or three times.

You don't need to descend to esoteric, unproven and barely new
Gobbledygook

Why not?  It's what you do all the time.

that emerged from cosmology a century ago.
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You don't even need to resort to historical philosophical
arguments that emerged from astronomy about five centuries ago.

Now I have no idea WHAT you're blabbering about now.

You have to ask yourself THIS: What is space FOR WHOM? For
humans or any other of the millions of specie that inhabit
Earth (not counting other places).

That's IOTTMCO, ancient humans didn't and other animals don't
ask that question.  They, as well as new humans learn the trivial
concept very young and then think no more about it.
Just as you blabber here:

From the perspective of an ordinary and sane human (not a one
eye-blinded), space IS A PERCEPTION that develops spontaneously
since the time of conception.
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As we grow, we LEARN TO ACCEPT that space is defined by myself
and my surroundings.

I'm glad that Hertz had a normal introduction to the world.  The
question is, what went wrong afterwards?

This PERCEPTION of volume, depth, length and height IS ENRICHED
BY WITH OUR EXPERIENCE WITH OUR SURROUNDINGS. Space perception
evolves year after year since birth, until we reach mental
maturity to accept that IT EXISTS because we can move through
it with increasing security and accuracy.
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At a given age, when being a child, the question of what allow the
concept of space emerges naturally: we feel compelled to measure
distances, heights, etc. Then, through the modern education system, we
learn that we can measure space in many forms, through the use of
Cartesian coordinates, which is the mathematical and abstract
representation of what WE PERCEIVE: left-right, up-down,
forward-backwards.
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And then we are done. If we pursuit a technical career or a hobby that
involves measurements of space, we are naturally wired to accept even
extremely accurate measurements of the xyz representation of space.
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To fully understand the above, we should ask what is the perception of
space for other specie, like dogs, birds, cats, cows, whales, salmons,
etc.

This is all trivial compared to the REAL question that someone with
a better brain has, rather than the average ADHD autistic engineer.

To pretend that our DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS about what space is,
depending on our professional career, are smart and valid, is
STUPID,

Says the typical ADHD engineer :-))

because the sense of space is completely dependent on our VISUAL
SYSTEM. If you are born blind, you can't get the slightest idea
of space, unless you are a genius and was able to develop such
concept within your head, independently that you depend ON YOUR
MEMORY to recall in which way (and using our AUDITORY SYSTEM for
references and stability) you have to move using any algorithm
that you develop by yourself (counting paces, using a baton, etc.).

Funny, people who are born blind must all be geniuses.  What is
being ignored here is that all animals build internal models of
their environment.  It's a fact of life: if they don't do it,
they're not animals.

So, any definition of space suits for different organisms.
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The problem is that only a minuscule percentage of these organisms
care to use space to measure dimensions. And that an even more
minuscule percentage of those are IDIOTS ENOUGH to accept that
motion affect dimensions of space or, worse, that gravity do that.

Right, only ADHD autistic engineers are too "smart" for that :-))
Such people only think about what clobbers them when they're
trying to do their rocking back and forth.  They say, "Ughh?"  If
it doesn't happen again, they go back to their rocking, but if it
clobbers them again and again, they'll finally look into it and
discover something new and like little Jack Horner say, "What a
good boy am I!"  Then they go back to their repetitive behaviors
(like trying to prove they're smarter than those who actually are
MUCH smarter than they are).