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De : physfitfreak (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Physfitfreak)
Groupes : sci.physics sci.physics.relativity sci.mathDate : 19. Apr 2025, 19:59:31
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2nd round was over a few hours ago. Next round will be held on 26th of this month, again a Saturday, after some of the technical issues will get discussed (in Omman) I think almost right away from today.
An Iranian more independent and self-centered news outlet (in Telegram) which does not necessarily obey any demands on them by Iran's government, early on, towards the beginning of the talk disclosed that Araghchi and his team had cancelled the talk minutes into its start, and for about 15 minutes or so were preparing to leave the building (Ommani embassy in Italy) and return to Iran.
This news piece was not touched on at the end of the 2nd rounds talks by spokesperson of foreign ministry. No other Iranian sources of news also touched on that, either because they didn't have the information, or they followed ministry's directive in keeping it quiet. No news of it in Western outlets that I could see either.
But it happened, yet somehow, 15 or 20 minutes after, the talks resumed, and as Araghchi himself said at the end of the 2nd round, "It is going forward". He didn't mention whether talks were "positive" like in the 1st round, or negative.
So one has to just make the best guess on exactly what happened.
I think Witkoff made a last hardest stance that he could, to save the lobbying factor in the Americans side for Israel, and it didn't work. So probably Trump was contacted right in those minutes and after some talks he ordered to save a form of the negotiation that would work for his political ends. So, matter of lobbying for Israel has either suffered badly, or is nonexistent right now. The thing may've boiled down to a sensible arrangement between Iran and the USA, which would definitely make a positive political win for Trump as far as American internal as well as international interests are concerned. Trump needs a political victory, not a war.
Nothing else really is being said about this. There _were_ nothing else to do than what's being done now, as facts determining the outcome are pretty firm and unchangeable. Let me list them here.
1- In what American Nazis' actions in the region has created for the region, the matter of enrichment of various fissile matter in Iran is nobody's business but Iran's. It's 90 million people's lifeline, and it will continue the life of its own exactly as it should and is needed.
2- Iran has never resisted a fair deal with USA, if the intentions are there and they are lasting and real. Look at the deals Iran has with Russia, that would give you the right clues.
3- Iran will respond to Israelis terrorist actions in the region, be it outside or inside Iran's borders. Nothing in the world can stop it.
4- Iran _will_ respond to Israelis' mass murder of Palestinians. It will come to Israelis in various different ways, and is impossible for them to stop it.
5- The world can consider the region to be devoid of even one drop of oil for them, very fast, extremely efficiently, within just hours. The word "world" here includes all Arab and non Arab nations of the world.
6- AS far as "War" is concerned. It already started late in 1990s when Nazis in USA said Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. That was a statement of war, and it is in effect as you read this note. Nazis do fear nuclear capabilities in their victims.
7. Iran is quite open in transferring nuclear technology to Arabs and any other nation, any other country around the world that are suffering by the hands of the Nazis. There is absolutely no other plan of action to adopt, that would mean anything in dealing with those Nazis. As long as Nazis are in existence anywhere in the world, nukes will be made by more and more nations in the world. Nukes were _invented_ to kill Nazis off. It is the only response that exists, in removing the problem of Nazis in the world.
These facts aren’t even specific to Iran — they apply universally to any nation or people. And they dictate the form, content, and outcome of any discussion with the Nazis.