Sujet : Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic comp.theory sci.mathDate : 28. Jun 2025, 02:12:58
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On 6/27/25 4:10 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/27/25 3:43 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/27/25 3:11 PM, olcott wrote:>>
Turing Machines can and do compute mappings from finite
string inputs.
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Right, and those finite strings can be representation of other abstract things, like programs or numbers.
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*ChatGPT, Gemini and Grok all agree*
DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its simulated "return" statement final halt state.
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https://chatgpt.com/share/685ed9e3-260c-8011-91d0-4dee3ee08f46
https://gemini.google.com/app/f2527954a959bce4
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_b750d0f1-9996-4394-b0e4- f76f6c77df3d
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In other words, you ars admitting to accepting the LIES of a LLM because you have lied to them, over the reasoned proofs of people.
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<begin text input>
typedef void (*ptr)();
int HHH(ptr P);
void DDD()
{
HHH(DDD);
return;
}
int main()
{
HHH(DDD);
DDD();
}
Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until
it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When
HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation
and returns 0.
<end text input>
The above is *all* that I told them.
The above paragraph merely defines what a simulating
termination analyzer is and how it works, thus cannot
be a lie.
*ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree*
DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its simulated "return" statement final halt state.
https://chatgpt.com/share/685ed9e3-260c-8011-91d0-4dee3ee08f46
https://gemini.google.com/app/f2527954a959bce4
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_b750d0f1-9996-4394-b0e4- f76f6c77df3d
https://claude.ai/share/c2bd913d-7bd1-4741-a919-f0acc040494b
Perhaps I should point you to this too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ffs9s3DTcIT shows why LLM are not good at this field.
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
26 Jun 25 | Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 97 | | Alan Mackenzie |
26 Jun 25 |  Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 96 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |   Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 75 | | olcott |
29 Jun10:18 |    Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 74 | | Mikko |
29 Jun15:09 |     Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 72 | | olcott |
29 Jun20:26 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 13 | | olcott |
30 Jun03:46 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 11 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jun04:05 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 10 | | olcott |
30 Jun12:28 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 9 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jun18:00 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 8 | | olcott |
1 Jul02:10 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 7 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul02:26 |            Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 5 | | olcott |
1 Jul12:28 |             Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 4 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul13:07 |              Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | olcott |
2 Jul02:25 |               Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
2 Jul21:40 |               Logic proves that Peter Olcott is just a liar. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
2 Jul11:12 |            Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Heathfield |
30 Jun09:47 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Mikko |
30 Jun03:39 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 57 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul02:12 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 56 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul02:34 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 8 | | olcott |
1 Jul09:28 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 4 | | Fred. Zwarts |
1 Jul12:52 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | olcott |
2 Jul02:28 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
2 Jul09:37 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Fred. Zwarts |
1 Jul12:32 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul12:55 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 2 | | olcott |
2 Jul02:31 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul03:50 |        HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 47 | | olcott |
3 Jul09:57 |         Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 31 | | Mikko |
3 Jul13:56 |          Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 30 | | olcott |
3 Jul15:24 |           Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul08:35 |           Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 28 | | Mikko |
4 Jul13:50 |            Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 27 | | olcott |
4 Jul14:22 |             Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 11 | | joes |
4 Jul14:32 |              Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 10 | | olcott |
4 Jul18:48 |               Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 9 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul19:24 |                Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 8 | | olcott |
4 Jul21:33 |                 Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 7 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul23:17 |                  Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 6 | | olcott |
5 Jul08:36 |                   Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul17:07 |                    Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | olcott |
5 Jul14:01 |                   Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 3 | | Richard Damon |
5 Jul17:16 |                    Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | olcott |
6 Jul01:25 |                     Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul14:23 |             Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 14 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul15:43 |              Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 13 | | olcott |
4 Jul19:14 |               Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 12 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul19:25 |                Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 11 | | olcott |
4 Jul21:40 |                 Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 10 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul23:24 |                  Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 9 | | olcott |
5 Jul08:33 |                   Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul17:03 |                    Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | olcott |
5 Jul14:07 |                   Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 6 | | Richard Damon |
5 Jul17:21 |                    Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 5 | | olcott |
6 Jul01:36 |                     Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 4 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul03:23 |                      Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 3 | | olcott |
6 Jul03:59 |                       Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul05:06 |                        Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | olcott |
5 Jul09:42 |             Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | Mikko |
3 Jul15:16 |         Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 15 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul15:39 |          Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 14 | | olcott |
3 Jul15:50 |           Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 13 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul16:17 |            Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 12 | | olcott |
3 Jul23:59 |             Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 5 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul00:15 |              Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 4 | | olcott |
4 Jul01:22 |               Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 3 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul01:36 |                Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | olcott |
4 Jul14:25 |                 Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul08:42 |             Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 6 | | Mikko |
4 Jul13:57 |              Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 5 | | olcott |
5 Jul08:30 |               Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul16:59 |                Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | olcott |
5 Jul09:44 |               Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | Mikko |
5 Jul16:53 |                Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | olcott |
30 Jun09:39 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Mikko |
30 Jun09:28 |     Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Mikko |
27 Jun 25 |   Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 20 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |    Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 19 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |     Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 18 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 12 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 11 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 10 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 9 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 8 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 7 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |            ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 6 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |             Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 1 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jun 25 |             Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 4 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jun 25 |              Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 3 | | olcott |
28 Jun 25 |               Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 2 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jun 25 |                Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 5 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | Alan Mackenzie |
27 Jun 25 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 2 | | olcott |
27 Jun 25 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun 25 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |