Sujet : Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic comp.theory sci.mathDate : 28. Jun 2025, 02:20:40
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On 6/27/2025 8:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/27/25 4:10 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/27/25 3:43 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/27/25 3:11 PM, olcott wrote:>>
Turing Machines can and do compute mappings from finite
string inputs.
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Right, and those finite strings can be representation of other abstract things, like programs or numbers.
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*ChatGPT, Gemini and Grok all agree*
DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its simulated "return" statement final halt state.
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https://chatgpt.com/share/685ed9e3-260c-8011-91d0-4dee3ee08f46
https://gemini.google.com/app/f2527954a959bce4
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_b750d0f1-9996-4394-b0e4- f76f6c77df3d
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In other words, you ars admitting to accepting the LIES of a LLM because you have lied to them, over the reasoned proofs of people.
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<begin text input>
typedef void (*ptr)();
int HHH(ptr P);
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void DDD()
{
HHH(DDD);
return;
}
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int main()
{
HHH(DDD);
DDD();
}
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Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until
it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When
HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation
and returns 0.
<end text input>
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The above is *all* that I told them.
The above paragraph merely defines what a simulating
termination analyzer is and how it works, thus cannot
be a lie.
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*ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree*
DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its simulated "return" statement final halt state.
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https://chatgpt.com/share/685ed9e3-260c-8011-91d0-4dee3ee08f46
https://gemini.google.com/app/f2527954a959bce4
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_b750d0f1-9996-4394-b0e4- f76f6c77df3d
https://claude.ai/share/c2bd913d-7bd1-4741-a919-f0acc040494b
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Perhaps I should point you to this too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ffs9s3DTc
IT shows why LLM are not good at this field.
Maybe ALL that you have is empty rhetoric entirely
bereft of any supporting reasoning.
It is stupidly simple that DDD correctly simulated by
HHH cannot possible reach its own "return" statement
final halt state.
If you even know what ordinary recursion is you would
know this. That is why I called my reviewers despicable
lying bastards.
-- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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26 Jun 25 | Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 58 | | Alan Mackenzie |
26 Jun 25 |  Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 57 | | olcott |
27 Jun14:57 |   Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 36 | | olcott |
29 Jun10:18 |    Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 35 | | Mikko |
29 Jun15:09 |     Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 33 | | olcott |
29 Jun20:26 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 13 | | olcott |
30 Jun03:46 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 11 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jun04:05 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 10 | | olcott |
30 Jun12:28 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 9 | | Richard Damon |
30 Jun18:00 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 8 | | olcott |
1 Jul02:10 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 7 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul02:26 |            Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 5 | | olcott |
1 Jul12:28 |             Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 4 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul13:07 |              Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | olcott |
2 Jul02:25 |               Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
2 Jul21:40 |               Logic proves that Peter Olcott is just a liar. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
2 Jul11:12 |            Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Heathfield |
30 Jun09:47 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Mikko |
30 Jun03:39 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 18 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul02:12 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 17 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul02:34 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 8 | | olcott |
1 Jul09:28 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 4 | | Fred. Zwarts |
1 Jul12:52 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | olcott |
2 Jul02:28 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
2 Jul09:37 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Fred. Zwarts |
1 Jul12:32 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | Richard Damon |
1 Jul12:55 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 2 | | olcott |
2 Jul02:31 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul03:50 |        HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 8 | | olcott |
3 Jul09:57 |         Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 3 | | Mikko |
3 Jul13:56 |          Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | olcott |
3 Jul15:24 |           Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul15:16 |         Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 4 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul15:39 |          Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 3 | | olcott |
3 Jul15:50 |           Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 2 | | Richard Damon |
3 Jul16:17 |            Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct | 1 | | olcott |
30 Jun09:39 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Mikko |
30 Jun09:28 |     Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Mikko |
27 Jun15:06 |   Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 20 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun15:44 |    Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 19 | | olcott |
27 Jun16:59 |     Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 18 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun17:16 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 12 | | olcott |
27 Jun18:54 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 11 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun20:11 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 10 | | olcott |
27 Jun20:24 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 9 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun20:43 |          Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 8 | | olcott |
27 Jun20:55 |           Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 7 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun21:10 |            ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 6 | | olcott |
27 Jun22:42 |             Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 1 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jun02:12 |             Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 4 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jun02:20 |              Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 3 | | olcott |
28 Jun04:07 |               Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 2 | | Richard Damon |
28 Jun14:04 |                Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun17:34 |      Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 5 | | olcott |
27 Jun18:27 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 3 | | Alan Mackenzie |
27 Jun19:11 |        Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 2 | | olcott |
27 Jun20:24 |         Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 Jun18:50 |       Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method | 1 | | Richard Damon |