Re: Poor "Jim Pennino" :-)

On Fri, 2 May 2025 8:08:59 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000026, 26.04.2025 um 13:39 schrieb bertietaylor:

On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 5:43:39 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:
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Am Donnerstag000024, 24.04.2025 um 20:41 schrieb Physfitfreak:

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Americans words are so unreliable that 3rd talk might be the last, as I
mentioned before.
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So Iran is now testing Europeans' degree of servitude towards USA in the
light of recent tariff related development to see if in the absence of a
deal with USA they could have a deal with Europeans, Russia, and China.
Effectively replacing Americans with the Europeans.
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Europeans haven't responded yet.

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There are no 'Europeans'.

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Let us say if you are born or live permanently in Europe, you are an
European.

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No.
You were talking about ethnic relations with 'Europeans', while actually
use geography to categorize people into 'tribes'.

We are tribal. Some are born to tribes and others get adopted. When
there is too much love causing mixing among tribes then there comes
castes, clans, bandits, loners, etc.

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But there is or were no tribe or people called 'Europeans'.

Many tribes were there in European forming a superset of tribes that is
called European. Much as snooty North and West Europeans may object such
is the third world perspective.

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Europe is a huge continent and inhabited by tons of different tribes and
nations.

Yes.

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'European' could therefore only be an attribute used for citizenship.

It relates to peoples and cultures relating to Europe.

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Since there exist a politician entity called 'European Union', it would
be possible to call all citizens of all nations forming the EU
'Europeans'.
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But that is, of course, not correct, because there are some countries in
Europe, which do not belong to the EU.

They choose to stay out to assert their nationality but from third world
pov they are also European.

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So, 'European' could be used for people, who live in Europe at a certain
time.
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That would be slightly closer, but would differ in the set of people,
who were born in Europe, but do not live there anymore.
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So, all in all, 'European' cannot be defined properly, hence there does
not exist any well defined set of people, you may rightfully call
'Europeans'.
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Europe is a huge continent, which is populated by a large number of
people, which live in a large number of nations.
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I, for instance, live in Germany.

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You are a German.

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'German' is actually Latin and means something like 'man with a spear'.
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The Romans called certain people 'Germanes' who didn't live in the
region currently called Germany.
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The people named 'Teutones' and 'Angeln' settled in current Denmark.
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(Lower-) 'Saxons' settled in Germany, but also in other regions outside
present Germany. But the current state of Saxony isn't the region where
the ancient Saxons settled and the current Saxons are not related to the
ancient Saxons.
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Germans call themselves 'Deutsche', which in not related to a region or
an ethnic group, but to the language 'Deutsch' (=German).
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This language was widely spoken in many parts of Europe and was among
the ancestors of Dutch and English, for instance.
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Now German is spoken mainly in Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
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